Rollcall: Challenge for Preachers!

Daniel,

The king was the authority in the monarchy. And the south did secede from the union and formed their own country. Either way, submission to government was lacking.

 

Well I am glad we had REAL men in the pulpit during the Revolutionary War. Sounds like some of the ones we have here would still like to be under the King.

The South was tired of their rights being violated and they decided to challenge the federal government. They did it right and left the north to begin a new government. DD, if the south had had pepto-bismol they would have won. That is past history and the civil war is over. We are all Americans and we have to right to stand up against wrong doing in this country. If you don't then take the flag out of your churches and quit singing the star spangle banner and quit saying the pledge. I love Jesus more than I live this country and I will follow Him and do His work. I will help protect my church, my family and my country from the enemy from without and from within.

 

Real men obey Scripture rather than bow to pressure from others. I am not the least bit concerned with what you think someone should have done. I am greatly concerned with obeying Scripture.

 

Nobody is answering my question .

I reiterate my question. If we agree that Christians have the right to disobey the state, who becomes the authority? Who decides which laws I can disobey? Is it up to me? My pastor?

As above, do Muslims have the same right to decide which laws they feel are constitutional? How about Satanists? How about a cult which uses drugs as part of their "worship"?

 

Let everyone do that which is right in his own eyes.

HankD

 

C4K, We have a right and obligation to be part of the solution. In the Old Testament, we had prophets that advised the kings on what to do. The Church has been the lighthouse for this nation. It just appears that the lighthouse is being torn down now.

PL, You are right. That is why I obey God.
1Titus 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

 

Did I say "government". I believe I said nation. Now the people who are serving in the government are part of the nation, so I guess you could take it that way.
Luke 1:79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

 

Bro. Bob, it is not a matter of fighting against God, it is a matter of standing with God.

Psalms 94:16 Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity.

 

Why do you assume that Ezek 46 has anything to do with current government practices? It is about the messianic kingdom.

Why do you assume that believers have a right to disobey God just because someone else does (assuming your interpretation is correct ... which is highly suspect)?

The bottom line is that you are to obey God no matter what anyone else does. Their disobedience does not excuse you. So Ezek does not support you, even if it says what you think it says, something you have not even begun to prove yet.

 

My point is not that God doesn't limit government. My point is that 1) God never says he limits government; 2) God does say that believers are to be in subjection to government and he gives no exception; 3) there is not one single NT reference that supports a Christian rebelling against government about something other than a biblical command.

I don't konw what you mean by "God limit ... the Home and the Church." Limits them to what??

 

PL. so I guess using your thought processes we just need to rip the Old Testament out of our bibles. OK here goes. RRRRIIIIPPPPP. That was easy. Now I agree with you.

 

If you used my thought processes you would think nothing of the kind. All Scripture, including the OT is inspired and profitable. You don't need to misrepresent my position and ripping the OT out of your Bible won't help my position. You simply need to understand the OT in its context and purpose. It was not written about America.

 

You get my point. I did not rip it out and would not do any good if I did. It is still there. Maybe the way we all need to look at this is tied up in the word "allegiance". I believe you are saved and I pray you believe I am too. My allegiance is to Christ first. I try to obey the laws, but unfortunately we have judges and representatives that hate God's word. We all should strive to witness to them and pray for them that they get their hearts right with God.