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Romans 1:16 with my bible and concordance.

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Daniel David, Mar 26, 2004.

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  1. Daniel David

    Daniel David New Member

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    I just thought this would be a neat exercise. I will list Romans 1:16 in different versions (not all equal) so we can see how different people have treated this verse:

    NASB
    For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

    ESV
    For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

    NKJV
    For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

    NIV
    I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

    KJV
    For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    Amplified
    For I am not ashamed of the Gospel (good news) of Christ, for it is God's power working unto salvation [for deliverance from eternal death] to everyone who believes with a personal trust and a confident surrender and firm reliance, to the Jew first and also to the Greek...

    Okay, I want to focus on the word "POWER".

    In the greek, it is dunamiß or Dunamis. Guess what word we use today like that. That is right! It is dynamite. Dynamite = POWER.

    What this means is that the power of God unto salvation is as powerful as dynamite. Isn't that great? Did you all know that?
     
    #1 Daniel David, Mar 26, 2004
  2. Hamtramck_Mike

    Hamtramck_Mike New Member

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    And also notice how many leave out Christ! It is His Gospel after all!
     
    #2 Hamtramck_Mike, Mar 26, 2004
  3. Daniel David

    Daniel David New Member

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    There is a place for version debates. This is a word study on POWER. Feel free to stop loitering and contribute.
     
    #3 Daniel David, Mar 26, 2004
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    I heard a preacher state it once. Does this fall in line with the Spirit being as the wind in John 3.8?

    Would this be like irresistible Grace?

    I would see it that way. Such that the force of dynamite (power) of God cannot be hindered but will perform his will for which it is sent.

    Bro. Dallas
     
    #4 Frogman, Mar 26, 2004
  5. Pete Richert

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    I think Daniel David is playing with you guys here.
     
    #5 Pete Richert, Mar 27, 2004
  6. Daniel David

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    Pete, I am guessing you have read "Exegetical Fallacies" by Carson. Even if you haven't, you obviously know this one.

    This is to demonstrate that word studies by themselves are insufficient to determine the correct interpretation of a text.

    What I posted above is all true. That is the greek word. We do get our word dynamite from it. However, none of that has a thing to do with the interpretation of the verse.

    Paul is not saying that salvation is explosive.

    So, what does "power" mean in this verse?
     
    #6 Daniel David, Mar 27, 2004
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    G1411
    δύναμις
    dunamis
    doo'-nam-is
    From G1410; force (literally or figuratively); specifically miraculous power (usually by implication a miracle itself): - ability, abundance, meaning, might (-ily, -y, -y deed), (worker of) miracle (-s), power, strength, violence, mighty (wonderful) work.

    G1410
    δύναμαι
    dunamai
    doo'-nam-ahee
    Of uncertain affinity; to be able or possible: - be able, can (do, + -not), could, may, might, be possible, be of power.


    Again, I say, irrisistible Grace.

    Bro. Dallas
     
    #7 Frogman, Mar 28, 2004
  8. Daniel David

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    Think context here. What Power has Paul already spoken of in Romans 1?
     
    #8 Daniel David, Mar 28, 2004
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    Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

    Ok, you have me thinking.

    The spirit of holiness, The Holy Spirit.

    The gospel is the power of God
    Christ is declared the Son of God
    All by the force of the Holy Spirit, making (and with Romans 1.4 "with power") the instrumentality of the Spirit.

    These are my best offerings, I somehow think they still do not measure up to what you are looking for, am I even getting close?

    Bro. Dallas
     
    #9 Frogman, Mar 28, 2004
  10. Frogman

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    Well, am I close?

    Bro. Dallas
     
    #10 Frogman, Mar 28, 2004
  11. Daniel David

    Daniel David New Member

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    Yes. The same power that declares Christ to be the son of God through the resurrection of the dead, is the same power in Romans 1:16.

    My point in all of this was to show the futility behind mere word studies. You can have the correct meaning of a word, and completely miss the boat on what the text actually says.

    Not coincidentally, a few people on this board could be named...
     
    #11 Daniel David, Mar 28, 2004
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    Thanks. I have tried to keep that in mind when doing a word study, I have also wondered perhaps more often that because I do not understand proper Greek grammar (I bearly understand English Grammar :D ) that I may often miss the boat entirely on what is being said by a text.

    And this not because I have not got the proper meaning of the word, but failed to understand it's relationship in context.

    A good exercise, thanks [​IMG]

    Bro. Dallas [​IMG]
     
    #12 Frogman, Mar 28, 2004
  13. jshurley04

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    The really neat idea behind the word power as it is used in this particular passage is that it is not an explosive/destructive power alone. It is the power to blow apart the old man and nature is such a way that it rebuilds a new man and new nature throught the power of Christ. So it is not only DEstructive it is also CONstructive to the believer in Christ.
     
    #13 jshurley04, Mar 29, 2004
  14. Daniel David

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    That is a 'neat' application to the interpretation.
     
    #14 Daniel David, Mar 29, 2004
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    Yes, a very neat application to the proper interpretation of the word power in this passage.
     
    #15 jshurley04, Mar 31, 2004
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