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Romans 8:8-9 - SPIRITUAL UNION

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by The Biblicist, Jun 4, 2012.

  1. The Biblicist

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    Rom. 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
    9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    Has any human after the fall of Adam existed not "in the flesh"?????

    Paul classifies humanity in one of two categories:

    1. Those "in the flesh"
    2. Those "in the Spirit"

    Do you think these classifications are only from Pentecost forward or from the fall of man forward?

    Think outside the box for a moment.

    1. SPIRITUAL DEATH is separation from the life of God - Eph. 4:18

    2. ETERNAL LIFE is being brought into SPIRITUAL UNION with God because life is in God alone.

    Do you think these two contrasts (Spiritual Separation/Spiritual death versus Spiritual union/eternal life) are classifications only from Pentecost forward or from the fall of man forward?


    1. Why would Jesus rebuke a leading Bible scholar (Nicodemus) for being ignorant of the Holy Spirit's work in Old Testament sainst by New birth if that was only something Pentecost forward - John 3:3-10?

    2. Abel, Seth, Noah, Shem, Abraham were not circumcised or Jews but they were the people of God prior to Pentecost. How could they be progressively sanctified without new birth or the indwellng Spirit of God?

    3. If SPIRITUAL UNION with God was not constant within Abel, Seth, Noah, Shem and Abraham would not that mean they reverted back to SPIRITUAL SEPARATION, thus SPIRITUAL DEATH each time the Spirit left them?

    4. Does Romans 8:9 say "IF ANY POST-PENTECOST MAN" have not the Spirit of God "HE IS NONE OF HIS" or does it say "IF ANY MAN"???

    5. Are Pre-Pentecost people different kind of humans then Post-Pentecost people? Do they have a different nature? Are there different solutions to their state of being? Is sin in them dealt with differently? Is there another gospel, another Savior, another kind of salvation for their sin problem then for ours?
    #1 The Biblicist, Jun 4, 2012
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