Ron Paul's Goofy Stance on Iran

I should appeal to Proverbs 26:4 here, but I will leave you with 2 words: Vyacheslan Danilenko. Now go do your own homework.

 

Not at all. I think this is where M.A.D. comes in. Russia knows our intelligence is good enough that were they to attack us or Israel via Iran, we would know about it, and respond in kind. Israel too, since they have a sufficient Nuclear arsenal (over 300) and delivery system to wipe out every major Russian city 5 times over.

And again I (nor Ron Paul) is against doing something about Iran...I just don't think we should do it. If Israel is worried about Iran, let them handle it. If we get worried about Canada, we will handle it LOL

 

The US made a deal with the King of Arabia decades ago that we would support him as long as he kept the oil flowing to the US.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Aramco

The origins of Saudi Aramco can be traced back to May 29, 1933, when the Saudi government granted a concession to Standard Oil of California (Socal) which allowed the company to explore for oil in Saudi Arabia. Socal assigned this concession to a wholly owned subsidiary called California-Arabian Standard Oil Co. (Casoc). In 1936, with the company having no success at locating oil, the Texas Oil Company (Texaco) purchased a 50% stake of the concession.[7]
After four years of fruitless exploration, the first success came with the seventh drill site in Dammam, a few miles north of Dhahran in 1938, a well referred to as Dammam No. 7. This well immediately produced over 1,500 barrels per day (240 m3/d), giving the company confidence to continue. The company name was changed in 1944 from California-Arabian Standard Oil Company to Arabian American Oil Company (or Aramco). In 1948, Socal and Texaco were joined as investors by Standard Oil of New Jersey (Esso) which purchased 30% of the company, and Socony Vacuum (later Mobil) which purchased 10% of the company, leaving Socal and Texaco with 30% each.
In 1950, King Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud threatened to nationalize his country's oil facilities, thus pressuring Aramco to agree to share profits 50/50. A similar process had taken place with American oil companies in Venezuela a few years earlier. The American government granted US Aramco member companies a tax break known as the golden gimmick equivalent to the profits given to Ibn Saud. In the wake of the new arrangement, the company's headquarters were moved from New York to Dhahran.
In 1973, following US support for Israel during the Yom Kippur War, the Saudi Arabian government acquired a 25% share of Aramco, increased the share to 60% by 1974, and finally acquired full control of Aramco by 1980. In November 1988, the company changed its name from Arabian American Oil Company to Saudi Arabian Oil Company (or Saudi Aramco) and officially cut all oil supply to Israel by order of the CEO. In addition, Saudi Aramco has become a fully owned privately held company with no shareholders or partners in business. Today Saudi Aramco is the world's largest and most valuable company and thus concerns for monopolization of the world's economy have been raised.

 

From the horse's mouth:

The Israeli and Arab Lobbies

"The Informal Israeli Lobby

American Jews recognize the importance of support for Israel because of the dire consequences that could follow from the alternative. Despite the fact that Israel is often referred to now as the fourth most powerful country in the world, the perceived threat to Israel is not military defeat, it is annihilation. At the same time, American Jews are frightened of what might happen in the United States if they do not have political power.

As a result, Jews have devoted themselves to politics with almost religious fervor. This is reflected by the fact that Jews have the highest percentage voter turnout of any ethnic group. Though the Jewish population in the United States is roughly six million (about 2.3% of the total U.S. population), roughly 94% live in 13 key electoral college states. These states alone are worth enough electoral votes to elect the president. If you add the non-Jews shown by opinion polls to be as pro-Israel as Jews, it is clear Israel has the support of one of the largest veto groups in the country.

The political activism of Jews forces congressmen with presidential ambitions to consider what a mixed voting record on Israel-related issues may mean in the political future. There are no benefits to candidates taking an openly anti-Israel stance and considerable costs in both loss of campaign contributions and votes from Jews and non-Jews alike. Potential candidates therefore have an incentive to be pro-Israel; this reinforces support for Israel in Congress. Actual candidates must be particularly sensitive to the concerns of Jewish voters; it follows that the successful candidate's foreign policy will be influenced, although not bound, by the promises that had to be made during the campaign......"

"The Informal Arab Lobby

The disproportionate influence of the American Jewish population is in direct contrast with the electoral involvement of Arab-Americans. There are approximately 1.2 million Arabs in the United States, and roughly 38 percent of them are Lebanese, primarily Christians, who tend to be unsympathetic to the Arab lobby's goals. This reflects another major problem for the Arab lobby -- inter-Arab disunity. This disunity is reinforced by the general discord of the Arab world, which has twenty-one states with competing interests. The Arab lobby is thus precluded from representing "the Arabs.""

 

I see you left out this part - "Only about 70,000 Palestinians (6 percent of all Arab-Americans) live in the United States, but their views have received disproportionate attention because of their political activism."

 

So? What? I provided you the link to read the entire article. The dialog w/ bill is actually concerning AIPAC vs Saudi influence.

Question, what great advantages has this "disproportionate attention because of their political activism" given the Palestinians in the U.S. Congress?

[edit] ....and besides, this statement from JVL is absolutely nothing short of the pot calling the kettle black. The Jews wrote the book on political activism.

 

Your complaint seems to be that Jews have too much influence in the US and it's Govt,especially based on their small numbers. I am just pointing out the Palestinians wield some outsized influence also. Not only politically but culturally. And you even snipped that from your 4 paragraph cut & paste.

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Palestinian activists and their Hollywood allies attempt to prevent any type of conference or entertainment activity occuring in Israel.

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"Actress Tilda Swinton sporting a knitted scarf emblazoned not with a designer logo but with the word "Palestine."… The image has caused quite a buzz in social media, with many agreeing that this was the brave stance of a free-thinking and intelligent woman. Does this mean that supporting Palestine has become a status symbol, or is it a positive sign of acceptance of the Palestine issue into mainstream media?"

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"But Democratic Party insiders have revealed that Clooney and Obama regularly send texts and emails to each other and speak by phone at least twice a week.

One said last night: ‘They are extremely close. A number of members of the Hollywood community, including Brad Pitt, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon, offered to help raise funds for Barack but it was with
George that he struck up this amazing affinity. ‘George has been giving him advice on things such as presentation, public speaking and body language and he also emails him constantly about policy, especially the Middle East.

‘George is pushing him to be more "balanced" on issues such as US relations with Israel.

The star has never tried to hide his liberal views and last week announced he is making a £15million film about the lawyer who defended Osama Bin Laden’s former driver, Salim Hamdan, on terror charges."

 

A couple more excerpts from the JVL article:

"The major oil companies feel no such constraints. Exxon, Standard Oil of California (SoCal), Mobil, and Texaco have long sought to manipulate public opinion and foreign policy on the Middle East. These companies as a group comprise the Arabian American Oil Company (ARAMCO). Participation in the public relations campaign amounted to the price of doing business in the oil-producing nations."

"....Since 1973, ARAMCO has maintained its public relations campaign and become involved in occasional legislative fights, such as the AWACS sale, but, on the whole, the campaign has had no observable impact on U.S. policy."

"Overall, the Israeli lobby is effective because it enjoys advantages in every area considered relevant to interest group influence. It has (a) a large and vocal membership; (b) members who enjoy high status and legitimacy; (c) a high degree of electoral participation (voting and financing); (d) effective leadership; (e) a high degree of access to decision-makers; and (f) public support. Moreover, for reasons at least partly attributable to the lobby's efforts, the lobby's primary objective — a U.S. commitment to Israel — has been accepted as a national interest."

 

So we have someone else who reads to much infowars? Goodness

 

Why is it that anytime someone says something that is historically true, that you don't like, you accuse them of being aligned with some conspiracy theorist?

Are you really that uneducated, or are do you just lack sufficient wit for rebuttal? The "I can't deny their argument so I'll call them a name" tactic is very juvenile....weren't you just criticizing someone else for being childish?

 

In all of this talk about Israel and wars, has anyone noticed that Netanyahu stated that Israel desires independence and can fight its own wars?

 

So? Just sounds like more of the same pride we've witnessed from them over the past 6 - 8k years. They will get their wish when every nation turns against them.

 

The way the Obama administration has treated them, they probably don't trust us as an ally.

 

....egad....get real, the Jews are going to do everything in their power to get Obama re-elected. You dispies live in a world of your own.

 

Semi-insult noted.



Dispie nothing. Just observation.

 

It is a result of to much infowars. We seem to have a number of huge fans on board.

 

And on your side of the aisle we have closet Obama fans, who listen to too much NPR.

 

I'm surprised the Trilateral Commission hasn't shut it down.

 

Or the Military Industrial Complex

 

We should be careful...you know they're monitoring this site.
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