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Featured Ross vs. Hovind Debate

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by quantumfaith, Dec 14, 2013.

  1. quantumfaith

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    Hugh Ross discredits himself when he says that the plain reading of the text and what people often see most (the average reader) is 6 long periods of time in Genesis one. That is just false. The average church member who does not have an emotional need to have to have some deep and buried meaning that only hyper-intellectuals can discover and everyone must come to them for understanding would never read it that way.
     
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    Thanks for your input. I know "you know" I come down differently than you on all this "science v faith" stuff.

    You do know that Dr. Hovind is now serving a prison term.....some kind of IRS or tax issues I think, though not certain on that.
     
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    Hovind isn't qualified to be the face of creationism, anyway, and most of his science was junk. That said, it doesn't disprove creationism. It merely proves that well-intentioned but sinful men can wreck their lives and ruin their witness.
     
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    I am not, and never have attempted in anyway to disprove creationism. I am as ardent as you in that position. I agree, the fact that Dr. Hovind is serving a term has no impact on the position he takes. I also agree and remain convinced that his science is not solid, rather it reflects his need to fit it to his convictions. But we are all guilty of that, to one extent or another.
     
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    I did not address Hovind. He did not come into play in my post.
     
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    OK Rev. Thanks for clearing that up.
     
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    Especially when the process of naming day and night exactly matches the modern 24 hour period that Joe Avg. has seen his whole life. Light is day, dark is night, together they make up one day...too familiar.
     
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    So you think everything in the scriptural record is crystal clear, and You have it all pegged just right.....?
     
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    That is not what was said or implied. He just simply responded to my criticism of Ross's claim about what the plain meaning of the text is.
     
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    Apologies then....and again thank you for being so responsive to clear things up.
     
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    Doesn't Dr ross have bulit into coming to the text in gensis a belief that there are billions of yeras in creation, and that one must read the bible NOT as literal/plain menaing, but some type of 'scientific" way?
     
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    Yes, his position is the earth and universe are OLD. Much older than that of Dr. Hovind's position.
     
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    Yes except he believes he is reading it literally.
     
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    I don't know what you mean about "junk" science. Hovind tended to speak to young people in most of his seminars, so his lectures and debates were purposely very simple, designed so most anyone could understand.

    But his points were good and valid as this college professor from Arkansas admitted;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtt5dFyIvy8#t=138

    As far as Hovind and his tax troubles, I don't know much, but I am sure it was related to his ministry. He did preach the gospel in addition to his seminars on evolution.

    I sincerely believe Hovind was persecuted because he went to universities all over and refuted evolution. He made lot of enemies in high places.
     
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    According to Wikepedia, Dr. Hovind has a Bachelors in Religious Education from Midwestern Bible College. He has a Masters and Doctorate (Correspondence) from Patriot University. Although anyone can certainly study and "show themselves approved", Dr. Hovind does not have any serious, as far as I can tell, science education credentials.
     
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    And yet, in the video which I provided a link for, a college professor who teaches evolution at the University of Central Arkansas said he could not refute Hovind's arguments.

    Hovind did teach High School science for 15 years I believe, he is from a family of teachers. He is no dummy.
     
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    Had to check out things, Ross is not an "evolutionist" he gives good articulate reasoning (mathematical) for having that position.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtFHBV0jEE8#t=105
     
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    The video I provided a link for shows Hovind debating Dr. Ben Waggoner who teaches evolution at the University of Central Arkansas. Watch just the first few minutes and Dr. Waggoner admits he could not refute Ken Hovind's arguments in an earlier debate they held.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtt5dFyIvy8#t=138
     
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    I did watch about 10 minutes and will watch whole thing later.
     
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