Rythym does what for the body?

You are showing your opinion............

Well, you have expressed your opinion. What passes for an appeal to Scripture is actually an expression of your opinion that only things found in Scripture are incontestable. Well, Scripture does teach that Christians are to exercise judgment in matters of life (e.g. I Corinthians 6).

Can we learn nothing from experience? When I was young and chasing girls, I certainly knew that girls from churches with certain music traditions were less likely to gratify fleshy urges than those from churches with highly rhythmic music and emotional services. Usually this music with a beat produced more physical longings than spiritual.

Have you ever read serious students of rock 'n roll on the secular side? They speak of the "empowerment" that beat and rhythm give. Does this glorify God or appeal to fleshly pride?

Naw, you're arguing your opinion for what you want to believe. We're just playing pious games by saying, "If the Bible doesn't say it, it's just your opinion."

You said, "If you don't have scripture.. then you need to back down." Now, let's see you support this statement from Scripture. If it is a valid principle, then it applies to you as well as others. How do you know that you must have Scripture to judge anything or your opinion is invalid? Is not this a presupposition of your opinion? And what is a presupposition other than opinion? Show us the Scriptural basis of your assertion or back down. Your turn. :type:

 

Judgment, discernment..........................

You wrote: "I have never seen where the Bible teaches that rhythm based music weakens man's spiritual nature." I deny the implication. Music is a better aphrodisiac than alcohol. Admittedly, what is arousing varies culturally and generationally but it is a real phenomenon nonetheless. Ask anyone who is accustomed to picking up hot girls. Sometimes, we, as Christians, are more naive in our petty sins than the ungodly in the worldly who experience the very dregs of sin.

Furthermore, is the Bible exhaustive in describing every detail of godly living? If not, then we ought not put such expectations upon Scripture. There are Biblical principles, Christian discernment, and the leading of the Holy Spirit to guide us in these matters without specific prohibition in Scripture.

I doubt that you would be comfortable with the statement: "I can do anything without sinning that the Scriptures do not specifically forbid." Would you subscribe to this? Be careful because I'll call your hand on this one. Thus, there must be sinful things which are not specifically prohibited by a direct Scriptural referant. Do you disagree?

What do you think?

 

Wonder what we would say today about David's dancing to/with music in 2 Samuel 6?

 

The Bible says nothing about rhythm based music, thats why we cant build a doctrine around it.

God gave us brains and he gave us His discernment. Use logic. Use practicality. Use preference. Use cultural norms and mores. We are foolish if we ignore all those.

However a claim was made that the Bible teaches that rhythm based music weakens mans spiritual nature. Rhythm based music may or may not do that, but the Bible does not teach it.

 

But Roger, have you not read the book of I Opinions?

 

First, you say that we can't build a teaching around it, then you say we can using the tools God supplied. Which is it?

Can we or can't we?

Using the tools that God gave us, can a link be established between heavily rhythmic music and the demeanor that God prescribes for His children?

And I repeat my question, about psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Were they rhthmic or not, and how do you know?

 

Using music is akin to firearms (for instance).

You can have your rifles and pistols, join a gun club and have good clean recreation, hunt for your meat supply or you can rob banks and/or kill people.

What one does with music depends on the heart and mind of the participant.

Some rock music such as came forth from the Grateful Dead (as an example) was clearly associated with the evil of drug addiction and idolization of the musicians.

I was a teenager in the early 50's when rock 'n roll developed.

Look at the words "rock" and "roll", the words themselves can be suggestive.

All the "rock" of the 50's was developed by musicians of corrupt morals (for the most part).

Do I still listen to it (50's "rock"), yes, on nostalgic occasions. But I also own quite a few firearms and I've never robbed a bank or killed anyone with them.


HankD

 

You are trying to find a fight where there is none.

We can't establish a Bible teaching. We can establish a practice for our local churches.


As far as 'heavily rhythmic music' our boundaries are eventually going to be established by opinion and prefernce.

Neither one of us know whether or not songs, hymns, and spiritual songs were rhythmic. We are not told.

 

I have never in my life been se*ually stirred by rock music. Not once.

We are in the same boat. If you are messed up so am I.

 

I thought that was what Barry White was for.

There is nothing in the Scriptures about Rock music so its a moot point.

 

Actually, that's not quite true. We know for a fact they were rhythmic. How? They used timbrels (hand drums), so there was some form of rhythm to them.

We know from 2 Samuel 6 that David danced with all his might, to the point where his wife described his dancing as undressing in front of everyone; there were trumpets involved. It's a common fact that musical instruments follow some sort of rhythm in the music they play.

So when you say "heavily rhythmic," that's where you need to define what "heavily rhythmic" means. I think a lot of people mistake this for "lots of drum sets" or "voodoo drum type stuff."

 

Disagree. Scripture says whatsoever you do, do it for the glory of God.

 

Yes. Any song or any music is "rhythmic."

 

"heavily rhythmic' is not my phrase.

 

I don't see rock n roll in that verse what so ever. So your Saying God has a problem with 4 / 4 timing?

 

Me neither.

But I can't listen to Polka music, because it stirs up the lusts of the flesh.