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Salvation & grape juice

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Bro. Curtis, Jun 17, 2007.

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  1. mcdirector

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  2. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    Wrong, MP.

    It is the Word of God that judges those who choose to deny the truth and continue to sin. It is the Word of God that judges those who are leading the flock astray by telling them what God calls sin is not sin.

    I do not condemn you or anyone else. If man does not believe on the Lord and keep His commandments, the Bible says man is already condemned.

    The Bible is His Word and commands abstinence.
     
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    The Word of God would not command us to Submit to God, resist the devil, Walk in the Spirit, flee youthful lusts, present your bodies a sacrifice, yield not to temptation, if it were not possible.

    Like Linda64 stated. Many live such a defeated life. They claim to be of God but have no strength to live for God.
     
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    M.P & webdog, you guys are killing me.

    It did come to me that the reason deacons are warned against being "given to much wine" (grapejuice), is they can't be trotting to the outhouse with diareah during sermons ?
     
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    Don't forget the good Samaritan who poured oil and grape juice on the poor fellow's wounds... ;)
     
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    No, it didn't. That's a load of nonsense.
     
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    Ken, While you are here, would you go to that thread where you said goodbye and tell them you are back because people are still telling you goodbye ;)
     
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    That was an interesting entry. Here's another thing I find interesting. The WCTU (women's Christian temperance union), often regarded as "feminists" before their time, was largely responsible for prohibition. Their motto then and now was/is:

    You would think that if total abstinance was a Biblical concept, they'd quote the Bible instead of a Greek philosopher.
     
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    mmmmmmm

    mmmmmmmmm
     
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    Study the Word of God. You will find that Lot lost self control after just one drink.

    One drink made him drunk.
     
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    The Bible has been quoted concerning the command to abstain from alcohol and you will not believe it.
     
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    LOL! I actually agree with their objective, which was to combat the then rampant alcohol abuse that led to things like domestic violence. They started off right, just didn't end up right. And, being the women's CHRISTIAN temperance union, you'd think they'd at least make an effort to quote the Bible.
     
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    Genesis 19:33 in 1/2 dozen versions: And they made their father drink wine that night. I can't get one drink from that.
     
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    I agree! I've never even heard of Xenophon!

    Personally, when I'm trying to make a biblical point, I like to quote the bible whenever possible.

    I also like the moderation in all things heathful point. I have a close family member who is grossly obese. I also have a close family who is anorexic. The gift of moderation in both cases would have saved all involved a great deal of pain.
     
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    mc, I liked your links, thanks very much! Here's a great snippet:


    Think also that Jesus said we are not defiled by what we put in our mouths, but what comes out of them.

    MacArthur understands the difference between use and abuse. That's important. I forget who said it, but someone once quipped that men are often destroyed by abusing sex, too, therefore we should outlaw women.

    Perish the thought!!!
     
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    So you are right and the Christians in almost every other country is wrong? The Christians in most countries do not interpret scripture like you do.
     
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    Just because a person says they are a Christian does not automatically make them a Christian any more than putting a bicycle in a garage and calling it a Harley Davidson makes it a motorcycle. There must be evidence of the change in the person. The one professing Christ, in order to truly be a Christian must be found Christ-like. Paul wrote, Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ. (1 Corinthians 11:1)

    Christ did not drink alcohol, whether people in other countries want to believe it or not.
     
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    Not only every other country, but the majority of Christians before the mid 1800s. That's when the Bible miraculously changed, but only people like HBSMN noticed it.
     
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    Just how long do you think fresh grape juice would last without any kind of preservatives or refrigeration in the weather that grapes were picked in.

    Ever tasted fresh grape juice from Thompson or Tokay grapes? Ever tasted fresh grape juice from any kind of wine grapes?

    Do not give me a bunch of nonsense because my parents were grape growers for several years.
     
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    With the temperance society came a lot of preachers that simply preached what others told them from their stock pile of ignorance. It is no different than those preachers who do not hold fact to the word today and choose to believe the politicians in denominations who seldom study but simply spew out their ignorance in an effort to sound good.
     
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