Salvation In the Millennial Kingdom?

DeafPosttrib: //There is NO repopulated the world beyond
end of the age, NO salvation in the 'millennial' beyond
the end of the age.//

Exactly. Circular reasoning thus dictates if you start
with assuming the axiom: "The so called Millennial Messanic
Kingdom is a spiritual thing, not a physical thing."

 

"IF" there no MK, folks will have a hard time "explaining" why we go to heaven for only a thousand years, then Satan is turned loose after the thousand years are over to "Deceive" those in heaven and get them to attack Jerusalem.

Guess they missed the part about fire coming "DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN", to the earth,

Jesus "RETURNING" to Jerusalem and boys and girls (Children) paying in the streets,
where do these children come from since the resurrected neither marry nor given in marriage, "Fornication/Adultry"????

Re 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Zec 8:3 Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.

4 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; There shall yet old men and old women dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, and every man with his staff in his hand for very age.

5 And the streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the streets thereof.

Like a puzzel, All the verses in scripture have a place to "FIT", and they won't fit, "just anyplace", no matter how hard you try.

 

The real meat of your question is right here:

 

And the meat you ignored is:

If they can't answer these questions how are they going to convince anyone of the validity of their doctrine.

 

Thats funny, because I was able to convinced that there is a literal coming kingdom without having to worry about how people are going to get saved in the kingdom. I'm pretty sure God has it figured out.

 

I might agree that a lot of dispensational doctrine is ignorant. How does a non-dispensationalist believe that people get saved in the kingdom?

 

James,

Bible never saying kingdom God/heaven is so called, "millennial kingdom", because it doesn't saying the kingdom is a thousand years.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

The "SAME JESUS" who went away is the "SAME JESUS" returning.

The world will "literally" be "Dark" and the "Brightness of his coming" will "light up" the whole world, but even with that brightness, it's still the same Jesus who went away,

Sinner will never get to see the "FATHER".

Like "building", you have to have a good foundation on which to build before you can put the building together, and it's true with scripture,


But many keep trying to "rearrange" the foundation so much they never have a foundation on which to build,

like being saved, somethings have to be accepted on "FAITH" until the proof comes along.

[ March 23, 2006, 11:35 AM: Message edited by: Me4Him ]

 

Or their computer could be broke.
I'vewritten an answer most every day. But my system
for getting the answer to post is broken.
... long story.

 

npetreley: //As far as I can see, the Bible doesn't answer this question.
All it says is that at the end of the 1,000 years, satan
is let loose and manages to rally a lot of people.
I'm not sure that even relates to your question, but you'd
have a hard time convincing me that the people satan rallies are saved.//

Beautiful example of an answer. The question is NOT delt with directly
in the Bible. But principles are in the Bible. One of the principles
is that Satan (Lead Devil) cannot 'rally' the saved.
So there have to be some unsaved people after the Millinnial Messanic
Kingdom for Satan to deceive. Where do they come from?

Again, a question with no direct answer.
I beleive that the MOD (MOunt Olivet Discourse) of Jesus
is contained in Mattew chapters 24-25. The questions the disciples
asked are in Matthew 25:3

The signs of the destruction of the Temple (also signs of the
continuing Church age) are in Matthew 24:4-14.

The signs of the Second Coming of Jesus and the Tribulation SIGN
before it is in Matthew 24:14-30.

The signless pretribulation rapture (end of the age) is
in Matthew 24:31-44.

Matthew 24:45 through Matthew 25:30 are

Matthew 31-46 is NOT A PARABLE and disucsses the Sheep And Goat
NATIONS judgement. This judgement takes place at the end of the
Tribulation Period and before the Millinnial Messanic Kingdom.

On trial here are the nations other than Israel that were around
during the Tribulation Period. Recall that in general 5/6 of all
humanity dies in the Tribulation Period. Perchance some countries
will sill be half populated, some almost non-existant.
Anway, the nations will be judged.
All these nations are composed of unsaved people.
Those nations that in general
helped the Jewish/Israeli people (the BRETHEREN of JESUS) will go
into the Millinnial Messanic Kingdom.

Those nations that in general did not help the Jewish/Israeli people
in the Tribulation Period will be cast into hell. All the members of
the nation ARE NOT SAVED and were hell-bound anyway.

BTW, I strongly believe that there will be few if any gentiles
saved during the Tribulation Period (they sure won't go around
fooling the Antichrist like in Millionare LEFT BEHIND prophets for profit
may suggest)

So then there will be four classes of people (persons) in the
Millinnial Messanic Kingdom:

1. eternal - non-reproducing - God the Son
- Messiah Jesus, will rule with a rod of Iron:
directly Israel, indirectly (by Godly example/ perfect role
model of a leader/ etc) the whole world. The Gentile world will
beat a path to Israel, the model theocry.

2. eternal - non-reproducing - Church age elect saints
- Those who in the Judgement Seat of Christ were given
the reward of serving Jesus in the Millinnial Messanic Kingdom (MMK),
including the 12 apostiles (there are over 200 Million uncountable
Christians - way more than is needed to judge/administer a world
with a population only about 1 Billion (could be less) - not every
one of them will be rewared with service in the MMK

3. temporal - reproducing - Jewish/Isreaeli elect saints
- those protected in the widlerness by the very hand of God,
the O.T. heritage, the Promise of the Promised Land, the Godly
inhertance, the greatness of the nation Israel restored

4. temporal - reproducing - other nations, the Sheep nations
-Israel is only part of the world. These other nations (the meek)
shall inherit the rest of the earth.

But that is only what Ed gets out of reading the prophecies for
the last 54 years, less one month. The milage of others may vary.
See the latter chapters of Ezekiel and Zechariah, etc.

 

There are people who are non-dispensationalist and yet believe in a millennial kingdom. I suspect they would have the same problem answering my question as dispensationalists.

Since I don't believe in an earthly millennial kingdom populated by Saints in glorified bodies and sinful mortals I don't need to answer the question.

Christians are currently living in the Kingdom and those saved are saved by the Grace of God. </font>[/QUOTE]So what your saying is that if I can't tell you whether Adam had a bellybutton or not, then evolution must be true?

 

I am afraid I can't help you OldRegular for you see I believe when Jesus comes, He is coming to receive His Church and pass judgement on the unbeliever. I am sure my belief is not even close to the others on here but we believe the Kingdom is within you and the Holy city is made of believers such as 12 foundations with the names of the Apostles and 12 gates with the names of the 12 tribes of Israel. We believe that Heaven is up, not here. I would that all men would look at the Scripture of the 1000 years and see that it was the souls (of them). It is saying that it is a part of a whole. If it were talking about the whole man it would of said I saw the souls that were beheaded, not the souls of them. So must of been the souls that lived and reigned with Christ a 1000 years. Also, Lived is past tense. Deep Deep subject OldRegular and I don't think we will have to worry about it. Just a thought. Will the natural Jerusalem hold all of the children of God if they are as the sand of the sea? Don't guess anyoe else will come close to my answer.

 

About as asinine as saying that if I don't know how people in the kingdom get saved then there is no kingdom? Its a non sequitur.