Saved by Baptism

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sir Ed:
Adam, I think I no what verse you are referring to but could you give me a book and chapter. Gracias.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No prob-

1 Tim. 2:15
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

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Adam

 

Originally posted by tulpje:
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> If the woman took sleeping pills and comitted suicide, she went to hell cause she had unrepentant sin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have no interest in debating suicide nor baptism, but no person on this earth has any right to say whether another is going to Heaven OR Hell. This decision is left to the Son of God and not humankind. That is the problem with this thread. We should be more concerned about this world and the treatment of our fellow man and spreading the Gospel than worrying about salvific acts. We all follow the practices that we feel are correct in the Eyes of God, but in the end, it is God alone that seperates the wheat from the chaff. The criminal on the cross is proof enough that no actions are salvific.

May God bless you

- Clint

[ January 25, 2002: Message edited by: Clint Kritzer ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Clint Kritzer:


We all follow the practices that we feel are correct in the Eyes of God, but in the end, it is God alone that seperates the wheat from the chaff.
- Clint<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well said, Clint.

 

Check your private messages tulje, I just sent you one explaining what happened.

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Adam

 

Clint,
You certainly are correct on saying that no human being can judge if another has gone or is going to hell.

All,
On baptism, Catholics believe we humans are bound by the sacraments, God is not. We also believe what scripture says that God looks on the heart, on the intention.

Therefore. if a person is able to be baptized, he is required to do so. If he would be baptized if he could, but circumstances prevent it, then God still counts him as being baptized. And, in baptism the person is actually cleansed from his sins and raised a new creature in Christ.

Someone earlier on this thread said that being baptized is a symbol of being buried with Christ. But if it is only a symbol, then how do we come up new creatures in Christ Jesus? Do any of you doubt that there is an actual change in the new Christian? Don't you all agree that you have become new creatures in Jesus Christ -- and that it was brought about by grace? We Catholics would say that being raised a new creature happens when coming up in baptism. Scripture teaches this too.

Pauline

 

I don't know how many churches are represented by the people here, but do any of your churches accept the precepts of the Nicene Creed?

Doesn't it say, "We believe in one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins?"

If we are all born with orignal sin or a sin nature, and Baptism forgives sin, then in that way, Baptism does indeed save us. No?

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Glen Seeker:
I don't know how many churches are represented by the people here, but do any of your churches accept the precepts of the Nicene Creed?

Doesn't it say, "We believe in one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins?"

If we are all born with orignal sin or a sin nature, and Baptism forgives sin, then in that way, Baptism does indeed save us. No?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Catholics and Lutherans take that statment literally. More reformed groups such as Baptists take if figuratively as does, we believe, God's Word.

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Adam

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Glen Seeker:
If we are all born with orignal sin or a sin nature, and Baptism forgives sin, then in that way, Baptism does indeed save us. No?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No! Nothing saves us, not baptism, not anything else. Jesus saves us from our sins, period! Nothing we can do or could do will save us, except the shed blood of Jesus, the perfect Lamb of God, in Whom there was no guile. He can only save us. This is what the Bible teaches us, and this is what we Baptists believe.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Barnabas:


No! Nothing saves us, not baptism, not anything else. Jesus saves us from our sins, period! Nothing we can do or could do will save us, except the shed blood of Jesus, the perfect Lamb of God, in Whom there was no guile. He can only save us. This is what the Bible teaches us, and this is what we Baptists believe. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen Barnabas- for by faith we are saved through grace

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Adam

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tulpje:


Tha's right Adam We are saved through Grace by fait and a means a grace is baptism. That's your Lutheran upbringing!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And around and around in a circle we go...

There really isn't much left to say: We believe what the Bible says about baptism in light of what Christ and the Apostles taught and practiced. And that is believer's baptism by immersion. Baptism is not a mean's of salvation. Faith in Jesus Christ is and that is the work soley of God by means of the Holy Spirit- apart of anything we try to do to save ourselves.

And you may go on trusting in the teachings of Martin Luther (a great man, no doubt. I have a great deal of respect for him, as I have said before), but he was a man, and his teachings should not be elevated to the level of scripture.

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Adam

 

The reason a person is baptized is an afformation that they belong to Christ! It is an answer of a good conscious towards God!
It has no saving possibilities eternally speaking only the blood of Jesus Christ can do that. John The Baptist was the one that prepared the way of the Lord. John The Baptist and Jesus set the example for all of his called out children to follow.
Here's is a question for all what about those who were born before Jesus set the example. They were not Baptized so I guess they can never go to heaven? If Baptizing is for eternal salvation then we better get busy and baptize babies as soon as they come forth from the womb or we are not doing our job. Maybe some of us can stand in proxy for those who were born before Jesus to make sure heaven is also their eternal home. The Mormons believe that baptizing for the dead!
One of our minister made this comment and worthy of much consideration... If a person isn't saved before they are baptized then they went in a dry devil and came out a wet one!... Think about that one!... Brother Glen

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tulpje:
your just not reading the bible verses! the nicene, aposles and anthenasiane creede are based on scripture. I am leeding you to places where the bible says that in order to be saved you need to be baptized, but you blatently disrerad that and bring up your pety arguments time and again! so be it! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The creeds, much like Luther's writings, are only based on man's interpertation of scripture- which is prone to err. Only scripture is Truth.

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Adam