Saved during Tribulation?

The Scriptures do not even hint at this Ed. Can you give me one text that supports this? I would be interested in seeing where this comes from.

 

So do people believe that there is going to be a secret rapture? The Bible tells us that there is going to be a second coming.Will there now be three?

 

Consider this:

When the last Gentile that is
going to get saved gets saved, then
Jesus will come again to rapture
the church age gentiles/Messanic-Jews
at the pretribulation rapture/resurrection.
The Tribulation Period will start.
In the middle of the 7-year Tribulation
the antichrist will commit the Abomination
of Desolation (A.O.D.) and millions
of Jews will realise that antichrist
is a false messiah, Jesus is the
real messiah.

Which concepts here do you accept as
scriputral? (I'll have to sell those
concepts to others, just not you you.)

1. Some think that God has an inflexable
timeline which cannot possibly change.
Agree or not, Bro DD?

2. Some think the Tribulation period
judgement will last 7-years.
Agree or not, Bro DD?

3. A/c will commit the AOD mid-trib.
Agree or not, Bro DD?

4. pretribulation rapture of the
church age gentiles and Messanic Jews.
Agree or not, Bro DD?

5. Millions of Jews (far over half)
will see the A/C commit the AOD and
believe in Jesus as their Messiah.
Agree or not, Bro DD?

 

Different people
mean different stuff by "secret rapture".
Tell what you believe "secret rapture"
means. Nobody knows when it will be
(probably soon) -that secret i accept.
Everybody will notice when 400,000,000
people are missing from the world
(or perchance their life is missing
and most of their body left behind).
In this sense, there is no "secret rapture."

1. coming of the preincarnate Jesus
as the
2. (implied in the Bible as the first coming) coming of Jesus as a babe in Bethlehem
3. coming of Jesus back to the earth after
emptying out hades
4. (called the second coming, start of the day)
coming of Jesus for His own
5. (called the second coming, end of the day"

There are lots of ways to divide events.
The Bible chooses to speak of the second
coming, the Day of Christ (a 7-year day)

 

This shows two distinct
groups:


1. when: pretribulation rapture/resurrection
who: church age saved gentiles (Messanic JEws)
what: selected for special service
to JEsus as a reward for deeds done in
the human body before the rapture/ressurection

2. when postribulation resurrection
who: national Jews saved mostly at the AOD
what: live in the Millinnial Kingdom

 

I have a few questions:

Was Noah raptured during the flood or was he protected in his situation?

Was Daniel raptured from the lions den?

How about the three in the fiery furnace?

How about Lot and his family?

Does anyone see a pattern here?

 

Spirit and Truth: "Was Noah raptured during the flood
or was he protected in his situation?"

Noah was NOT on the surface. Others on the surface
of the earth died; Noah didn't even get his feet
(well, except for that event with the doggie )

Spirit and Truth: "Was Daniel raptured from the lions den?

No. God was with Daniel in the midst of the lion's den.

Spirit and Truth: "How about the three in the fiery furnace?

No, God was with the three Hebrew children in the firey furnace
(BTW, if that was Jesus was it his first appearance?
second appearance? third appearance?)

Spirit and Truth: "How about Lot and his family?

Lot and his daughters were rescued from the judgement
of Sodom, taken out of Sodom.

Spirit and Truth: "Does anyone see a pattern here?"

Yep, the two that were used as examples by Jesus
in the Mount Olivet Discourse (MOD) are cases
where God took people away from the judgement.
The two that are not used as examples by Jesus
in the Mount Olivet Discourse (MOD) are cases
where God protected the people in the midst
of the event.

 

Ed:

Yep, the two that were used as examples by Jesus
in the Mount Olivet Discourse (MOD) are cases
where God took people away from the judgement.
The two that are not used as examples by Jesus
in the Mount Olivet Discourse (MOD) are cases
where God protected the people in the midst
of the event.

S&T:

So did any of the people that I named leave the earth?

 

RED HERRING ALERT!

 

RED HERRING ALERT! This thread was supposed to be for pre-tribs.

 

Ed, I agree with all five of those things. I still don't see where that eliminates gentiles from salvation.

 

It is, and I am factually showing the pre tribbers the holes in their theology....

 

S & T, perhaps you could show me one.

All you have managed to do is list people that God protected. Very convincing since none of them have a thing to do with the rapture.

Try using a relevant argument.

The issue isn't how many bible stories you can come up with. The issue is what the text actually says about the rapture. That makes your little examples nothing more than a waste of computer space.

STOP LOITERING!

 

Ed:

Noah was NOT on the surface. Others on the surface of the earth died; Noah didn't even get his feet (well, except for that event with the doggie )

S&T:

Last time I checked Ed, the ocean was part of the earth.

Ed:

No. God was with Daniel in the midst of the lion's den.

S&T:

And that lion's den was firmly a part of the earth.

Ed:

God was with the three Hebrew children in the firey furnace

S&T:

And that fiery furnace was firmly planted on the earth.


Ed:
Lot and his daughters were rescued from the judgement of Sodom, taken out of Sodom.

S&T:

So, they were moved from one part of the earth to another part of the earth not too far away.


So where are you guy's going to be waiting for the early rapture bus?

 

Fair enough DD. Let's see your pre-trib argument.

 

</font>[/QUOTE]They are NOT
"eliminated from salvation", they
each choose NOT to be saved instead
of to be saved.

They keep teaching us to share our testimony
with others. Who will share their testimony
when all the church age Christian elect
saints are are GONE?

They keep saying we should pray for the
lost. Who will pray for the lost when
all the church age Christian elect
saints are are GONE?

Put the five pieces together, the conclusion
is likely: no gentile will be saved
during the Tribulation Period Judgement.

The second best interpertation is that
when a gentile does get saved in the
Tribualtion Period Judgement, their
first act of faith is to get their head
chopped off. Thus there will be no
living saved gentiles during the
Tribulation Period.

 

No.

John 14:1-3 (TMB = Third Millinnium Bible)

"Let not your heart be troubled. Ye believe in God;
believe also in Me.
2 In My Father's house are many mansions;
if it were not so, I would have told you.
I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you,
I will come again and receive you unto Myself,
that where I am, there ye may be also.

Where on Earth is Jesus living?

 

The following is how I responded to a similar question in another forum. I believe that Jew and Gentile will have the chance to accept Christ during the Tribulation. For those who have heard pre-trib the choice will be the final chance and it will not come very far into the trib time.

 

Ed:

Where on Earth is Jesus living?

S&T:

A) What does that have to do with when Jesus returns?

B) What is the address of the New Jerusalem?

 

Ed, I still don't follow your argument. You think that no gentile will get saved during the tribulation. I don't see any text that hints at such a position. I don't think your conclusion is valid at all.