Saved through the bearing of children?

Okay! Look forward to your reply.

 

I think the key here is continue in faith when I read it I think of a women that already is saved. the child birth will make her into a virtuous woman if she stays in the faith and love.Therefore preserveing her testimony or rewards.

 

Helen and Katie!

I was in the Delivery room with my wife on the occasion of both our kids' "comin' into this world!!" Both times--that was as close to death as I'd seen my wife get--REAL close!!

But I'll see if I can find a few thoughts on the text above and share with you guys later on!!

YOur friend,
Blackbird

 

Hi! Mickes
This has nothing to do with spiritual salvation. You need to start back in Vs 11 and read through in Vs 12 teaches that a woman is not it allowed to teach or have authority over a man. So here is the problem how can a mom not have authority over her man child (Her son) if she is not allowed to have authory over a man. She is saved (or delivered) from this in childbearing. that is the above rule about not having teaching or having authourity does not apply to your oum children.

1 Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

 

I use 2:5 "One mediator" as the reference here. the focus is not towards giving birth but the process of rearing the children.

The woman is placed inside a "chain of command". underneath the man.

Christ..mediator before the Father.
The man is the mediator before Christ.
The woman is the mediator before the man (or the childs father).

Both learning submission. in this scripture the reference is toward the woman.
Learning her place in the linage of submission.

on a more broad message....2:1-8...In Like Manner....2:9-15

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Now, Could this be the anti thesis to Gen 3:16 ..greatly multiply sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children.....

or,... competing against the father for control over the children, instead of submitting before the father for leadership.

[ December 05, 2002, 10:36 AM: Message edited by: Me2 ]

 

Hmmm. Cancel my previous post.
Your thesis makes good sense to me, Deacon.

MR

 

However, what are your thoughts on exactly what she is being saved from?
Everything else makes sense, though.

MR

 

It does not sound that way to me, but you are right it is not a popular viewpoint of our modern society.

HCL

 

I think you all have come up with some excellent possiblities for what it means. Especially about order.

I used to think it meant that God would allow the female part of humanity to continue being born if we did the things listed there. I am still not sure which it means exactly but this has been a thought producing topic.

HCL

 

I often think of these verses referring to the intercessory prayers of the mother for the child.

Whether to the childs father, or to Christ...It still always the same..she's Lifting up
"holy hands" for the childs behalf.

please, In No way should these verses be perceived as chauvinistic...

SHE'S BEING the childs servant. Just Like Christ..

and Yes..This activity "saves" her..It brings her out of a stressed and confused mindset to one that has order and structure...The burdens now becomes the Lords burdens.

 

I believe this verse to mean the preservation of Christianity. If women, who are often the main teachers of their children, continue in faith, loving them, and in control, this along with strong teachings will preserve those children in Christianity, our inheritance that needs to be passed on for the next generations.

 

Lets take a little closer look at this..

The example of Christ is a higher office (high priest) serving a lower order..the regular citizen.

Paul speaks of kings and all in authority pray before God asking for supplications, prayers, intercessions and giving thanks.

Again the idea of a higher authority serving a lower order..the regular citizen. Or those in need of their services.

Paul speaks that his will be that all men be saved..or come to the knowledge of the truth..or again in other words…to learn who Our lord jesus is..his character..his nature.

He states that Jesus is the mediator of men (male) and that this same jesus is Our sacrifice that is Offered before the father.

Then the switching of thought to the actions and position of women.

Dress moderately..act humbly..be the servant of man as is her created purpose..

But the last statement..shall be saved..they continue..childbearing…charity, holiness with sobriety.

In Genesis Eve is called mans helpmeet..Its her function to help Adam..or is it ?, maybe its, Adam to help Eve.
A female is created a little lower than the male. Eve is the weaker vessel.

(For Adam to parallel Christ love for his Bride…The bride is "made a little lower" than Christ.)

Christ can Love (agape) his bride. A Higher Authority reaching down to help a lower positioned person.
Man was made to be a little lower. Not because God is Chauvinistic but that Is his expression of himself, It is one of Agape Love towards his creature, which is made a little lower than Himself ..that's His Nature. Not that we deserve his love but that's His nature. Some say Love is God's Attribute….Nope….That's God's NATURE.
We all have that inborn tendency to want to "give ourselves away" in agape love. The very image of Our God.

In Adams Expression of Agape love toward Eve…. is the Same As Eve towards her children.

It's the same parallel idea viewed from the mothers viewpoint. The mother is reaching down to another lower positioned person. Her child..Not that the child deserves it but it's the mothers desire to reach out in agape love to "give herself away".

That understanding Christs love for his bride. That's understanding His Nature. His Fathers Nature.
That's understanding that God doesn't demand of us to get love from us, but that we are someone, whom He desires to Love. His Desire is to reach down to us.

"Saved" in this case means understanding the "rest" of God..by accepting Gods Agape love As he is reaching down to help his children.
Its In the parallel idea of "reaching down" to help HER child.


Me2

 

I believe that the "sorrow" or pain of childbirth is the punishment given for the sins of Eve's disobedience. I believe that a woman being saved in childbearing means that she is redeamed by the punishment for this sin which is pain.

[ December 13, 2002, 09:09 PM: Message edited by: WisdomSeeker ]

 

This has nothing to do with spiritual salvation. You need to start back in Vs 11 and read through in Vs 12 teaches that a woman is not it allowed to teach or have authority over a man. So here is the problem how can a mom not have authority over her man child (Her son) if she is not allowed to have authory over a man. She is saved (or delivered) from this in childbearing. That she is allowed to rule and teach her child.

SO! She is saved from the rule (in vs. 12) though child bearing.

1 Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

 

This has nothing to do with spiritual salvation. You need to start back in Vs 11 and read through in Vs 12 teaches that a woman is not it allowed to teach or have authority over a man. So here is the problem how can a mom not have authority over her man child (Her son) if she is not allowed to have authory over a man. She is saved (or delivered) from this in childbearing. That she is allowed to rule and teach her child.

SO! She is saved from the rule (in vs. 12) though child bearing.

1 Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

 

Oh...well, that makes sense. Thanks.