Saved through the Passion of the Christ

I don’t if you’re replying to my post or Blackbird’s or both. However, your post is a theological obfuscation. It is no wonder that Blackbird misunderstood you.

 

Nonsense. Mary had no part, other than being the woman through whom our Lord was born, in our redemption. She, although blessed and highly favored by God, was part of sinful humanity. Are you RC?

 

Speak for yourself. It is a logical fallacy to assume because there are many falsehoods that there is no truth. Whereas there may be many wrong opinions, it does not necessarily follow all opinions are wrong--one may be right and all others wrong. Go figure!

 

Thanks vaspers. I hope you enjoy the book. I usually use page 87 and on where they actually address the passages, but I think I'm going to go back and read the different pre-chapters.

Thanks again.

SEC

 

well, this apparent ignorance is sure not stopping the ecumenical return to Rome, tho.

 

I know what the Catholics say it means, and I don't know why non-catholics try to pretend otherwise. It is not as if the church hides this teaching.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm

 

ScottEmerson: no problem. Actually, I need to dig into this book again. I was using it a while back as curriculum for my Jr. High Sunday school class, taught on how Paul's "thorn in the flesh" was people persecuting him, not any sickness.

Yes I do enjoy HARD SAYINGS OF THE BIBLE (published by InterVarsity Press) and heartily recommend it to all. Scholars like FF Bruce are among the authors. An amazing gem, tackling some really weird Bible verses that few commentators dare to deal with.

Peace...

 

Just an update on the use of the "Passion" movie as an evangelism tool. We have seen about 25 new visitors the first week and about 10 this week.

We have had a couple people express interest in knowing more about the message of Christ through the web site we have advertised in the movie theater, www.passionchrist.com
Some people have been writing questions that they have about the movie.

There has been a couple who accepted Christ as a result of the ministry the church in regards to the movie.

Not this Wednesday but the next, we will be aiming our weekday Bible study groups to help answer questions and bring up other questions using Rick Warren's Passion DVD program.

The movie has seemed to energise our people to witness. It's so much easier to ask people "why do they think Christ died on the cross?"

Personally I've been reading the gospel accounts almost every evening with a renewed vigor.(Of course the new large print Bible I recently purchased may be part of the reason. ).

This has been an exciting time in the ministry of so many local churches.

Rob

 

Oh Rob that is wonderful! Praise the Lord!

Our church is taking our youth and their parents this Thursday. Bro. Jon felt by taking the parents and youth that it would encourage open communication between them.

Diane

 

Forever, I will do just that, I have been very busy working which is why I missed your post. I will look around and see whtat examples I can find for you.

Are we forgetting that true salvation comes from knowing that Jesus died on the cross for our sin, He took our punishment and when we confess our sin and repent of it he will forgive us and give us eternal life....it's not the flaws in the movie that will save folks or drive them away, it's the very fact that Jesus laid his life down for them.

 

One thing that even horrible, heretical Jesus films can do that is positive...

...motivate people, including myself, to dig even deeper into the Word, to verify the flaws or the accuracies of the film, and to compare it with the actual gospel records.

I like seeing people examining the Word microscopically, to defend or denounce various points of doctrine brought forward by this Passion film. Too bad it took a film full of errors, distortions, and false doctrine to accomplish this result.

 

We built a new worship facility---and I noticed as the steel was being erected---at a certain stage---the building erectors hung up a "Plum Bob"---the "Plum Bob" is an instrument that will tell you whether your building is "Straight and True"----whether its leaning or standing erect! The "Plum Bob" will not lie! You get "off center" and its not your "Plum Bob" thats leaning---its the building leaning!! You find out your building is leaning---what do you do??

Go out and buy you another Plum Bob?? Bend the Plum Bob to conform to the building?? No!

You tear the erected steel down and start over!

To all the readers of the posts----hang on to your "Plum Bob"---hang on to scripture! Hang on to the word from the Word! It'll tell you whether the building you're in is straight and true or not!!! Understand??

Now, when "Plum Bob"(scripture) tells you your building is not squarin' up---what cha gonna do??

 

Many, blackbird my good buddy forever, will dive into an Off Plumb-Sensitive church that will not offend and scare them with spooky stories about what happens to those who dwell in Off Plumb structures.

It will swell with losers who love error and fools who despise scripture and be a big success in the community, honored by the secular world as being Off Plumb-Sensitive and refreshing.

 

My Plumb-bob says, evangelize!

As of Friday morning's prayer meeting, we have had six people come to a saving faith in Christ as a direct result of the church's "Passion" evangelism. Many others are asking questions.

This past Sunday's evening worship/prayer and communion service was especially moving.

Rob

 

Deacon,

My question for you, is are you actually telling people to go and see the movie, or are you ministering to those who have gone on their own.

 

Both, the film brings up questions in peoples minds that they otherwise may never have had.

"Why would Christ submit Himself to a cruel death?"
"Is this true?"
"Who's responsible?"

I've encouraged friends and co-workers to see the movie, I've given tickets away. People are more open to conversation about the purpose of Christ's death after viewing it.

Where I attend church we have an extended ministry over the next month to minister to those that have questions. [ www.passionchrist.com ]

A friend of my wife will be coming to church for the second time this morning. Our prayers have been with her this week.

Rob

 

Over here in England the film is due to be released on March 26 and I intend (DV) to see it. This may well be a tremendouse opportunity for Christians to share their faith and we should take it even if we don't agree with some aspects of the film.

Bob