SBC president has a female minister on staff.

So?

No it's not.

He does, at least on this point.

The 2000 BF&M states, "While both men and women are gifted for service in the church, the office of pastor is limited to men as qualified by Scripture."

Not necessarily. The two women that I found listed on the team page served as minister to preschoolers and adults. Those roles don't necessarily involve teaching men.

You are drawing a conclusion from at least one false premise (the content of the BF&M) and what you guess the roles of the women on "the team" might be.

There are a number of examples of women preaching in the New Testament as well as in modern Southern Baptist life.

Just because Dr. Page doesn't do things your way doesn't mean he is not conservative or biblical.

FULL DISCLOSURE: I don't agree with the 2000 BF&M regarding the roles of women in the church, I am no longer a Southern Baptist (nor do I agree with the mainstream of popular Southern Baptist life anymore), nor do I worry about whether people are labeled "conservative" or "liberal." I care about their commitment to Christ and His teachings, the content of their character, and their willingness to work together with me to build the Kingdom of God and rescue and restore persons lost in sin.

 

Page also said the "Emerging Church" brings value to the convention. Folks can refer to himas they wish. Conservative is not something that fits him.

 

This isn't new info...it's been around for awhile.

Besides this I sure don't have a problem with the person nor the position.

Why is this place just becoming a place to throw rocks? That's what I want to know...

 

Re-read the BFM. It takes a senior pastor view of church leadership (as opposed to the elders model) and clearly states that the individual who occupies this office be a man. It doesn't discuss staff members or deacons, nor does it suggest that women cannot proclaim the gospel (preach). It also doesn't prohibit women being in a teaching role in a local church where men are present.

 

Outstanding statement, and very well said. :applause:

 

I'll post the section referred to, from the BF&M 2000.

Check it out for yourself, csl. My fellow Kentuckian, Jonathan, got it right. And Baptist Believer made some good points, as well, including this one, the real heart of the matter.

And I would add, this is not limited to Dr. Page or any other, either, for most of us. The church ain't BURGER KING®! It's not always HAVE IT YOUR WAY®.

Ed

 

I'm not really sure why this is any of our business. Unless someone here attends, and is a member of, this church who they have in leadership is none of our business. Each Baptist Church is autonomous, the SBC is not a denomination.

 

What I find quite interesting is that while the SBC thinks it preaches the Bible, students are coming to seminary with less and less knowledge of scripture.

 

Opinion, at best. Got any real empirical evidence? But possibly part of what you are alleging is because of more students attending "non-Christian" i.e. "state" colleges, as well, prior to seminary.

And aren't they supposed to be getting some of this Scriptural knowledge AT seminary?

Ed

 

In a large church a minister to adults may never teach anything, they simply lead those who do, such as the minister of education, they order the materials and keep track of the numbers, they never teach anyone.
if she isn't an ordained minister, then theres no problem.

 

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Originally Posted by Baptist Believer
I care about their commitment to Christ and His teachings, the content of their character, and their willingness to work together with me to build the Kingdom of God and rescue and restore persons lost in sin.

You can't have it both ways BB and MP. Anything goes in your convoluted ideas for the church. Yet, one of you has the audacity to say, " I care about their commitment to Christ and His teachings," and the other one says, in effect, amen. If you guys cared about His teachings you would follow them yourselves.

Simply Amazing.

 

Two thoughts:

Why is a fight being picked here? She's not the senior pastor (which is the scriptural issue). Why are we fighting here?

Cutter, IMO you're out of line to insinuate that these guys don't care about Christ's teachings. There's no need for personal attacks.

 

Remember the truth is meant to set you free, not to makest thou angry. :1_grouphug:

 

Doesn't having a female in position over any man in a church setting going against creation and the natural order of things? Just wondering. God laid the foundation in Chapter 2 of Genesis, Man then Woman, Man leads, Woman follows. One is not better than the other, both have God ordained positions, one is to lead the other is to help/aid in his lead.

 

The reason women are in positions of authority (over men) within the church and home is due to compromise to fit the culture in which we live today. Instead of the church and Christians conforming to the foundations of God and Jesus Christ, we are conforming to what soceity has set forth, which Christians should never strive to be like. This goes for many other areas and aspects of life as well.

 

more often then not it's because you can't get men to do anything. our sunday scholl class broke up becasue none of the men in it wanted to teach, and they couldn't find another mani the church to teach. I was actually the only person who would teach, if the bible didn't prohibit it that is. so sometimes women are doing jobs in church you don't like, becasue men will not do them.

 

I agree with that, completely. Maybe that's when classes need to be combined into one, find one man and lump them altogether. I don't know the solution.

 

You might want to update your profile to reflect your change of belief or churches, then.

 

I think this is worthy of another thread...imho, we are to come to seminary with at least some basic Bible knowledge and basic Christian theology in place already. (in other words, we shouldn't have to put you through a redemial survey course(s) on the OT and NT and Theology)

The greatest failure in our churches is failing equip and instruct our young people properly in the formative theological and philosophical matters while showing them how to live the Christian life. That goes for the SBC too...especially...

Maybe this is worthy of another thread.