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Scientists don't even believe in "Climate Change"

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Mexdeaf, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. Mexdeaf

    Mexdeaf New Member

    Mar 14, 2005
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  2. Martin

    Martin Active Member

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    I think the issue of "climate change" is beyond question. Of course the climate changes! There was the ice age, there are periods of drought, etc. The climate is not a stagnant thing. Man made global warming, on the other hand, is far from beyond question. Their spokesperson, Albert Gore, is not a scientist and as the emails show scientists themselves don't agree on it. In fact, a recent article shows the desperate situation some global warming scientists find themselves in right now.


    Back to Mr. Gore, he earned a bachelors degree in government. He is not a scientist and should never be viewed as any sort of authority on climatology or meteorology.
  3. shodan

    shodan Member
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    Hackers or insider expose possible fraud/denial of FOI

    Remember Al Gore's Hockey Stick graph, that proved to be wrong?

    More than that, it wsa a fraud.

    Michael Mann was the inventor of the graph

    Mike’s Nature trick
    by Jean S on November 20th, 2009

    So far one of the most circulated e-mails from the CRU hack is the following from Phil Jones to the original hockey stick authors - Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, and Malcolm Hughes.

    From: Phil Jones
    To: ray bradley ,[email protected], [email protected]
    Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement
    Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000
    Cc: [email protected],[email protected]

    Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,
    Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or
    first thing tomorrow.
    I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps
    to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from
    1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual
    land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land
    N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999
    for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with
    data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.
    Thanks for the comments, Ray.


    Prof. Phil Jones

    Phil Jones--the co-author of the IPCC last report known as AR4

    From Michael Mann (truth doesn't matter):"...As we all know, this isn't about truth at all, its about plausibly deniable accusations."
  4. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    The term "climate change"is typically used in relation to the false movement that man has created a problem in the climate from pollution and co2. There is no need to constantly make silly distinctions between that and the fact that climate changes on its own accord as if no one gets it. :rolleyes:
  5. shodan

    shodan Member
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    Mar 19, 2005
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    important resource

    The BEST resource out there on the climate debate is Climate Depot, by one of Sen Inhofe's former staff.


    from The Telegraph, UK


    When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at Hadley CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be “the greatest in modern science”. These alleged emails – supposedly exchanged by some of the most prominent scientists pushing AGW theory – suggest:

    Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organised resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more.

    One of the alleged emails has a gentle gloat over the death in 2004 of John L Daly (one of the first climate change sceptics, founder of the Still Waiting For Greenhouse site), commenting:

    “In an odd way this is cheering news.”

    But perhaps the most damaging revelations – the scientific equivalent of the Telegraph’s MPs’ expenses scandal – are those concerning the way Warmist scientists may variously have manipulated or suppressed evidence in order to support their cause.
    #5 shodan, Nov 20, 2009
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