Scrivener and the TR

And then...

Can you not see the contradiction here? You bash Kutilek, trying to discredit him, then complain about someone doing the same to you? </font>[/QUOTE]I did not bash kutilek, I said others did and it appeared he is discredited, then you asked for it in my own words. When a man is set out to accuse another Brother because he stands on the KJB and then goes all out to the extremes to try and prove his point, I'm sorry, that's when I don't give him any credit, it's just a waste of time. if that bashes your hero then so be it, consider him abashed!

 

The KJV text, again, says: ουτως κατα κρατος ο λογος του θεος ηυξανεν και ισχυεν.

We know this because the text is translated by the KJV translators as "So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed" and not "So mightily grew the word of the Lord and prevailed." Kurios is translated as Lord 725 times and isn't translated as God. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Well let me be the first to inform you Scott Emerson Clark, The Lord is God.

I copied and pasted from my Bible programs the exact text the KJB trnalsators used and the same text from Scriveners, so either my program is lying to me, or Scrivener and the KJB trnaslators used the same, get this, correct MSS. The text fromats are not identical, but the Greek is, so what do you do with that? They both used "kurios" to define Lord/God, uh, they're the same. The Lord is God. You know , equal? "=" ?

 

Which isn't the discussion. The word "kurios" doesn't translate to "God."

The EXACT text the KJV translators used? How about looking for the copyright information to let us know which Greek text they are using? Is it Stephens? Beza's? Erasmus'? Why would the translators use the word "God" instead of "Lord," when kurios is translated as Lord 725 times in the KJV?

Just because the Lord is God does not mean that kurios is translated as God. </font>[/QUOTE]Take it up with the KJB translators and Scrivener, it makes no difference to me, I know the Lord is God either way, your semantics are taking advantage of you.

 

So is this a mistake from Scrivener or is he speaking Truth here? It's a double-bind situation. </font>[/QUOTE]Then I guess you're still wondering why we keep saying AV 1611 King James Bible ?

We've noticed numerous changes in words, whole words with different meanings altogether in what the publishers are calling KJV Bibles.

If one will contact Bearing Precious Seed Ministries they'll find where we all stay with the Cambridge 1762. I have a Nelson "The New Open Bible" When I got it I was told ther were changes in it and didn't know any difference and if it weren't for those with BPSM I probably wouldn't ever have noticed the changes of whole words with completely different meanings in the other published Bibles being called the KJB.

I just love it when yall try to tell me the KJB has mistakes in it and I get to checking it out for myself and can't find what in the devil yall are talking about. My research shows me the KJB is right everytime!

Since the AV 1611 KJB and Scrivener agree so well, I'll just have to stick with them.

BTW, "kurios" is God is Lord, please don't go around trying to tell people any different.

 

Rebuke noted Brother, and If I may consider it love, but can you stay with the topic? I'm waiting to see where and why there are any true discrepencies in the Scrivener TR.

Scott Emerson Clark's "mistake" is none, the Lord is God. he said his buddy Kutilek had several mentioned in his book, I'm just waiting to see if he's man enough to come back with more "mistakes".

I believe the issue is worth discussion as the establish Truth and understanding, but you seem to take the initiative to turn this into an opportunity to cast rebuke instead. I thought you stood with the Scrivener TR just like you said in another post?

Are we needing to continue to deal with a long since past misunderstanding?

 

Yes, I have bowed to the demands of the dear gentiel brethren and made my screen name easier to type, I am ashamed of myself for not doing it at the first rebuke.

If there is something you consider we need to deal with, then let's just get it settled and get back to the topic. I believe this is everyone's desire and if you wish to keep rehashing your accusation against me then may I gently and peaceably suggest you follow your own advice and scripture, Brother.

 

So you are saying that the words don't matter as long as we get the right idea???

I for one believe the words do matter. I believe that when God said "kurios," he didn't mean theos. The "kurios" does not mean God. It never has and it never will. To translate "kurios" as "God" is incorrect. Period. It doesn't matter that it refers to the same person. God inspired "kurios" not "theos."

It appears that what we have just seen is someone who doesn't care about what God inspired. He only cares about maintaining his KJVO position. </font>[/QUOTE]I love you too, Brother Larry.

I hope you have this proof. My resources show the Greek word "kurios" to be the same text as Scrivener's as in the KJB.

Your referring to me as KJVO is derogatory and an insult to any rational person's intelligence, right along with your demand there be any distinction between the Lord and God. You are blinded by your incessive rants and are attacking the KJB, you know, the Bible you and your cohorts so vehemently admire?

I'm sorry, sir, but this stark raving lunatic was saved not unsimilar to our account in Mark 5 of the madman from Gadera, and I not fooled by your garbage. Now are you telling me this Lord he saw is not somehow God?

The Greek word "theos" is not certain to regard God as the Lord, but can mean any god.

The KJB translators are accurate and precise by using the same "kurios" in Acts 19:20 because there is no other God whose word and it's effects were that which is growing. Unless you expect us to be considering other gods in total disreverence to the Only True God?

This statement is one of the most laughable I have ever heard! To say that God is not "kurios" and not the Lord!
LYTS!

Your Greek is maligned to reason, that is all there is to it!

 

Larry? Larry! The issue is the Bible, not limited to just one Greek word. This is the Bible Versions/ Translations forum, not the limited view of just one word forum.

AV-Lord 667

2962 kuriov kurios koo’-ree-os

from kuros (supremacy); TDNT-3:1039,486; n m

NOT lord 54, master 11, sir 6, Sir 6, misc 4; 748

1) he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord
1a) the possessor and disposer of a thing
1a1) the owner; one who has control of the person, the master
1a2) in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor
1b) is a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet their master
1c) this title is given to: God, the Messiah

Larry, we are talking about the Bible, not just the Greek word "kurios"

2316 yeov theos theh’-os

of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with 3588) the supreme Divinity; TDNT-3:65,322; n m

AV-God 1320, god 13, godly 3, God-ward + 4214 2, misc 5; 1343

1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
2) the Godhead, trinity
2a) God the Father, the first person in the trinity
2b) Christ, the second person of the trinity
2c) Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity
3) spoken of the only and true God
3a) refers to the things of God
3b) his counsels, interests, things due to him
4) whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way
4a) God’s representative or viceregent
4a1) of magistrates and judges

of uncertain affinityOooo! There's that nasty word again!

The affinty of the Greek word "theos" becomes certain when we're talking about the Bible, not just a Greek defintion of the word, thus "theos" is "kurios" just as the Lord is God is the Lord.

So in Acts 19:20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed. Whose Word grew? the Word of God, uh, the Lord's Word grew, uh, as in the meaning and context of what thus saith the Lord God is what overcomes the misnomers and misguided convoloutions of the Bible and it's true meaning found in our AV 1611 KJB.

 

I must post them in the 1762 Cambridge text, by the which my OnLine Bible Program is as the matter of . And O, please don't confuse it with the www.Online Bible, they're not exactly the same.

The 1762 Cambridge is the AV 1611 KJB with updated punctuation and spellings, besides, if I posted the AV 1611 original type and spelling yall would mock and make sport and God just might do this to you

If Scrivener was including or singling out the 1762 Cambridge, then why do they line up? I can tell you why, they're both right!

I'm not being dishonest. It's all to plain and simple for you to see the AV 1611 and the 1762 are both the Word of God. Yall keep getting off on this KJVO kick and it goes about 40 yards backwards.

No, I just don't look in the wrong places, I've tried to tell yall that but you keep looking for love in all the wrong places.

I have not rejected Scrivener's Greek text, seems pretty accurate to me, right in line with the accurate and precise AV 1611 KJB/ 1762 Cambridge KJB

Quit eating up bandwidth and prove it.

I'm not the one who throws common sense to the four winds and strains at a limited definition of just one little Greek word.

It's not "post-modernism" to have simple common sense, you know, that common sense that works where the ism's are directed by the influence of Ishmael, along with the invention of certain
KJVO-ism's?

Jeremiah 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

You know? Isaac walked in the ways of Abraham his father, Ishmael is still walking in rebellion, why even Jacob repented of his contrariness to God and became Israel. Ishmael? Well, he's still opposed to himself. Little rascal, the fellow never did use common sense, you know, the kind common to the promised seed?


Yall go ahead and dig new wells, we'll go and redig the wells Ishmael filled in, the ones Abraham dug in his sojourn while looking for a city whose Maker is God.

Ishmael:

Israel: See Mephibosheth sitting there with Isaac?