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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Jul 17, 2006.

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  1. Magnetic Poles

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    Zygotes and blastocytes do not have blood cells yet.
     
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  2. Magnetic Poles

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    You lose!! :)

    According to Godwin's Law, the first person to bring up the Nazi's automatically loses the debate.
     
    #22 Magnetic Poles, Jul 20, 2006
  3. carpro

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    That means that ever since Bush has been in office, liberals all over the country have been losing almost all their debates before they can even get started good.:thumbs:
     
    #23 carpro, Jul 20, 2006
  4. The Galatian

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    carpro, regarding eugenics and genetics:
    The above is "Exhibit A" for the argument that we need to do a better job of teaching science in this country.
     
    #24 The Galatian, Jul 20, 2006
  5. carpro

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    The above remark is "Exhibit A" for the argument that good sense unfortunately cannot be taught at all.:smilewinkgrin:

    Now that the insults are out of they way, do you have something constructive to add to this discussion?
     
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  6. The Galatian

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    Anyone who thinks eugenics and genetics are closely related, knows nothing at all about one or both of them.

    There is no genetic support at all for eugenics. Contrary to the froot loops who like "The Bell Curve", it just doesn't work.

    It makes interesting reading and can be quite funny sometimes. Rush Limbaugh's assertion that a woman's IQ is inversely proportional to her bra size is one of the "findings" of these guys. In "The Bell Curve", one of the cited "experts" is a guy who has a similar theory about men.

    None of it has anything to do with genetics. Eugenics is largely an expression of racial fears and fantasies.
     
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  7. carpro

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    eugenics
    n : the study of methods of improving genetic qualities by selective breeding (especially as applied to human mating)


    Are you saying that one could not use genetics to enhance or practice or promote eugenics?
     
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  8. carpro

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by The Galatian
    Anyone who thinks eugenics and genetics are closely related, knows nothing at all about one or both of them.





    Expert agree that eugenics and genetics are "inseparably linked".

    http://www.hgalert.org/topics/geneticSelection/eugenics.htm

    What then of geneticists' claim that eugenics is merely an abuse of genetics, or an aberration? At one level, the answer to this question is already clear: genetics and eugenics are inseparably linked. Some form of eugenics is an inevitable consequence of the advance of the science of genetics, although the popularity of overt eugenics programmes will vary according to social and political circumstances.

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    What this illustrates is the way that the history of eugenics is intertwined with that of eugenics. Problems in eugenics stimulated research in genetics, whilst developments in genetics informed the evolution of eugenics. This is a typical pattern in the development of any science and its practical application.

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    The standard rationale for offering genetic testing is that it allows parents to exercise informed reproductive choice, and not to 'improve' the quality of the population. But how do the attitudes and actual practice of genetic counselling measure up to the professional ideal? The most important research in this area was carried by the American sociologist and ethicist, Dorothy Wertz, and her colleague, John Fletcher2,3. In 1994-5, they conducted a survey of the attitudes and practices of nearly 3,000 geneticists and genetic counsellors in 37 countries. Taken at a global level, their results comprehensively demolish the idea that geneticists have abandoned their eugenic philosophies. Wertz often titles her talks, 'Eugenics is alive and well'.
     
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  9. El_Guero

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    Carpro

    Those that want to use the master race mentality, do no want to feel the guilt of their sin before a Holy and Almighty God.

    Babies aren't aborted.

    Genetic experimentation has no real root in science.

    It is not our intent to allow people to 'choose designer babies'.

    But, they are already selling 'designer' dogs, cats, and fish. And they are trying to make 'designer babies' legal.
     
    #29 El_Guero, Jul 22, 2006
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    My point exactly. You said it better.:thumbs:
     
    #30 carpro, Jul 22, 2006
  11. StraightAndNarrow

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    We have abortion because of a strogly REPUBLICAN Supreme Court (Roe v Wade). How did the liberals have anything to do with that?
     
    #31 StraightAndNarrow, Jul 22, 2006
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    You're building up a straw man "liberal" that doesn't exist. You like to talk about Hitler. That's the kind of tactic he used to justify killing the Jews.
     
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    Actually, liberals saw the 9/11 catastrophe and said "Why don't we have a thorough and timely investigation into what really happened. Why couldn't the strongest military nation on earth intercept those aircraft in time? How could the Pentagon be hit since it's protected by missle batteries? And on, and on, and on....
     
    #33 StraightAndNarrow, Jul 22, 2006
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    Why has the FBI admited that they don't have enough hard evidence to indict Bin Laden for 911? How did Al Qeada get NORAD to stand down? How did Al Qeada make the "insider trading story" go away? How did Al Qeada make building seven look like a planned demolition?

    And why has Phillip never answered my question about flight 93? If F93 was really shot down by one of our fighters, why does the mainstream media and Hollywood continue putting out the false stories about it?
     
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  15. El_Guero

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    Nice attempt at misdirection. Now show where liberals a century ago (1890 - 1915) campaigned for the social advocation of: divorce; adultery; pornography; pre-marital sex; homosexuality; and/or drug use.

    I studied the topic, and much to my amazement the liberal advocation of social change is very recent. I had thought that liberals had maneuvered divorce, adultery, pornography, extra-marital sex; homosexuality; many other sexual perversions; and/or drug use over a long period of time. Much to my dismay, this has all been a rather recent political shift (40 - 50 years at most). The shift began among a smaller group of social libertines and then began to pick up power as groups that felt themselves disenchanted with the mainstream combined politically to force liberal theology, sociology, and politics upon the mainstream of America.

    No more misdirection: just a little truth out of your propaganda machine.
     
    #35 El_Guero, Jul 23, 2006
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