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Secrets in Genesis...

Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by BenWest, Mar 12, 2020.

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  1. BenWest

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    Brother Lester Roloff told me I was. I believe him.
     
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    I don't worship Hebrew grammar. The only reason to study it is to find the meaning of the Hebrew words which, when led by the Holy Spirit, reveals God's Truth.

    The reason it's important to know about God making 3 Heavens and Earths is to understand what happened to Adam's world, which will soon happen to the present 2nd Heaven. The 3rd Heaven, or New Heaven and Earth of Revelation 21:1. It's where Christians go when the present world is burned.
     
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    According to the Hebrew text the water was fifteen cubits above the mountains. You have misunderstood an English translation.

    Never said anything like that. However the fact is if you don't know Hebrew, (as you don't) one should consult those who do, those who are scholars.

    I follow the Hebrew text just like Jesus did, not an English translation.
     
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    No one does. It is also clear you don't know anything about it.

    There is more to Hebrew than just vocabulary. Therein lies one of your error. The Holy Sprit guided the authors using not only vocabulary but grammar as well.

    Does not address the grammar of Gen. 7:20 and is therefore moot.
     
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    I don't believe you
     
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    Maybe a Westboro "baptist".
     
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    Um, your point is just wrong because you don't understand English Grammar...
     
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    It doesn't say the water was 25 feet above ground, it says above the top of the mountains.
     
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    BenWest said: ↑
    The reason it's important to know about God making 3 Heavens and Earths is to understand what happened to Adam's world, which will soon happen to the present 2nd Heaven. The 3rd Heaven, or New Heaven and Earth of Revelation 21:1. It's where Christians go when the present world is burned.

    Sure it does. since Genesis 7:20 AGREES with Genesis 1:9-10 which clearly shows that Adam's Earth was flat. This also agrees with Isaiah, Peter and the Holy Spirit that Adam's world was NOT the present world. IF ancient Hebrews, who understood their own language, didn't recognize Jesus and their leaders sought to kill him, how can we believe anything they say? Only people who follow the Jewish Religion believe such foolishness.
     
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    It seems to be the same way with you and Genesis. Don't be afraid to tell us your view. I promise to be gentle when I refute your view, Scripturally. I'll show you how to do it since you have been unable to refute mine. Amen?
     
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    Weak, with no Scriptural support. Have you read Genesis?
     
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    Again, you have no answer for the Hebrew grammar. That is clear above all else.
     
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    In context:

    Gen 7:17 ¶ And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

    The Ark left the ground forty days after the flood began.

    Gen 7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

    The flood waters prevailed or covered ALL the high hills.

    Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

    Fifteen cubits is 22.5 feet in height. The flood water prevailed or covered the mountains when it reached a depth of 22.5 feet.

    Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remainedalive, and they that were with him in the ark. Gen 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

    On the SAME 150th day after the flood began, the Ark floated upon mile high Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. Genesis 8:4 That's God's Truth.
     
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    The Hebrew Scriptures are the proof and those Scriptures are far from weak.
     
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    Amen, but they don't say what the ancient Hebrew theologians thought they said. Following their view is not Christian since they reject Jesus. Here's a simple test:

    What does asswaged mean?
     
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    Where do these guys come from?
     
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    Can you tell us what the word "asswaged" means? If not, you cannot understand the story of the flood.
     
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    The Hebrew text does not says that. The text only says that it rained for 40 days and sometime as the water increased the ark was lifted above the land. You see things that are not there.

    Untrue and the reasons why were made clear here.
    Secrets in Genesis...

    The text says nothing about the ark floating upon a lake and certainly nothing about Lake Van, Turkey.

    Not even close! That is not from God nor is it the truth. All you do is read into the Scriptures what you want to see. Nothing more!
     
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    Don't need ancient Hebrew theologians, but at least they knew Hebrew. Nevertheless there are plenty of Christian scholars who know Hebrew and not one agrees with your opinion.

    I don't take tests from people who twist and distort the Scriptures. Such a person is only out to deceive others.
     
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    Either KJV only land or Trollville.
     
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