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Seeing is NOT Believing

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Dr. Bob, Feb 22, 2004.

  1. Dr. Bob

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    Many will SEE the horrors of the crucifixion and talk about it in the next weeks. But "believing" and appropriating that for oneself is another matter.

    Many will be moved, emotionally. Many will make "decisions". But what is missing? Peter's sermon (Acts 2) laid the blame ("whom ye crucified") on the crowd. They were cut to the heart.

    Zechariah 12:10 shows the missing factor:
    BEFORE people will look and truly mourn in godly repentance, there MUST BE "grace". God has to do the work in their heart or they will be like the thousands of Jews who saw the crucifixion live and walked away.

    Salvation is still 100% of God. GRACE comes first, then SEEING . . and BELIEVING!
     
  2. blackbird

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    You are my brother, Doctor! God bless your heart!

    Brother David
     
  3. gb93433

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    Amen! What you said reminds me of the days after 911.
     
  4. computerjunkie

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    AMEN, Dr. Bob!! Excellent post!! [​IMG]

    CJ
     
  5. computerjunkie

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    Bump to subscribe.
     
  6. Preacher Ron

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    I will say a BIG AMEN! to that Dr. Bob. [​IMG]

    Your right Salvation is of the Lord!

    John 6:44 says
    No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Preacher Ron
     
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    Jesus also said in John 12:32
    And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.


     
  8. rbrent

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    "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

    That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life..." John 3:14,15

    "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me..." John 12:32

    "And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life..." John 5:40

    "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him come and take the water of life freely..."
     
  9. Watchman

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    This started out with a message, in this case, the possible crowd reaction to this movie, which is a worthwhile subject, but then the Calvinist's viewpoint is thrown in and the original intent is lost and the debate concentrates on Calvinism.
    So be it.
    rbrent listed the tip of the iceberg as far as all of the scriptures which make Calvinism (which John Calvin himself late in life came to his senses and rejected) impossible.
    Salvation is still 100% of God. Absolutely no arguing that. If a relative leaves a possesion to someone, that possesion was 100% the work of the relative. It is ineffective however to the someone if he/she does not know about it, or refuses it, for whatever reason. This is what the Calvinist' cannot grasp: the right of refusal, which is spoken of again and again throughout scripture.
    As for the movie, I feel it is the wrong media, by the wrong man, with some wrong (unscriptual) content. Having said that, if there are people in heaven someday that learned of the Lord through this movie and was convicted and came to a saving knowledge of the Savior because of it, I will rejoice.
     
  10. firedome

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    Jas 1:23 For if any one is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a mirror: 24 for he beholdeth himself, and goeth away, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
     
  11. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Amen to the OP Dr Bob!
     
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    Amen, Dr. Bob! Thanks for reminding us of this.
     
  13. superdave

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    Amen Dr. Bob, right on as usual

    Pastor touched on this sunday while discussing this movie billed by some as the "Best outreach opportunity in 2000 years"

    The natural man receiveth not the things of God. People will be emotionally touched by this movie, they will be shocked by the portrayal of a violent and terrible act, but they will not recognize that it is their sin that put him there. Someone at work talked about who was responsible and said "I certainly won't take any blame for it" Here was my response


    "ISA 53:4 Surely he took up our infirmities
    and carried our sorrows,
    yet we considered him stricken by God,
    smitten by him, and afflicted.

    ISA 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
    the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.

    ISA 53:6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to his own way;
    and the LORD has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all."

    The way People come to Christ, is through the Word, and the Spirit giving them the spiritual life and ability to grasp the truth.


    Rbrent
    Gods Grace is sufficient for all, I agree, but he knows his children, and those he did forknow he also predestined to be conformed to Christ's image. Its one of the mysteries of grace
     
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    It will be interesting to see what the film triggers, maybe the reality of who Jesus is.
     
  15. blackbird

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    Sandrocksam---the Bible has already "robbed" the film of its glory! Held beside the Truth and Glory of the Lord Jesus revealed in the Bible and the movie appears as "Filthy Rags!!" The Bible has already shown us the reality of who Jesus is!

    Blackbird
     
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