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Seeking to Understand Revelation

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Mel Miller, Dec 8, 2006.

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  1. Ed Edwards

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    1 Thessalonians 3:13 (KJV1611 Edition):
    To the end hee may stablish your hearts vnblameable
    in holinesse before God euen our Father, at the comming
    of our Lord Iesus Christ with all his Saints    .

    The first phase of the Second Coming of Jesus is
    not with ALL His saints but just the ones who have died.
    (the ones who have not died are still alive & not coming wilth
    Jesus but waiting for Jesus:

    1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 (KJV1611 Edition):
    For if we beleeue that Iesus died, and rose againe:
    euen so them also which sleepe in Iesus, will God bring with him.
    15 For this we say vnto you by the word of the Lord,
    That we which are aliue and remaine vnto
    the comming of the Lord, shall not preuent them which are asleepe    .
    16 For the Lord himselfe shall descend from heauen
    with a shout, with the voyce of the Archangel,
    and with the trumpe of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
    17 Then we which are aliue, and remaine,
    shalbe caught vp together with them in the clouds    ,
    to meet the Lord in the aire: and so shall wee euer bee with the Lord.

    Remember the 'caught up' here is the 'raptos' in Latin
    or 'rapture' in the lEnglish adaption of the Latin.

    At the pretribulation rapture not all the saints accompany Jesus.
    The already dead saints accompany Jesus & pick up their
    new/enhanced bodies (AKA: resurrection). The living in-Christ
    shall be raptured (like a resurrection, given a new body &
    taken to heaven).

    In phase two of the Second Return of Christ, Messiah Jesus will be
    accompanied by ALL the Saints.
     
    #81 Ed Edwards, Jan 21, 2007
  2. Mel Miller

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    Ed Edwards,
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    “In phase two of the Second Return of Christ, Messiah Jesus will be accompanied by ALL the Saints”.
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    Thanks Ed,
    You finally admit that “ALL the Saints” accompany Christ at His 2nd Advent! You
    have already admitted that OT Saints and Tribulation Saints are included among the
    total number of Saints!! I don’t need to challenge your theory that there are “many
    last trumps”…even to that of claiming Matt.24:31 refers to a Pre-Trib Rapture
    RATHER than the Post-Trib Rapture!!!

    You have imprisoned your theories within a small parameter of twisted truth by
    rejecting Christ’s promise that He will raise up “all Believers/every Believer” on the
    Last Day! You continue to insist that Matt.24:31 has the Angels “gathering the Elect”
    unto Jesus years prior to the 7th (Last) Trump’s announcement that “God’s wrath
    has come”!! You even deny the Signs of the Day of Wrath in Rev.6:12-17 are
    “parallel to the 2nd Advent of Jesus in Matt.24:29-30”!!!

    The only “appropriate time” for God’s wrath (Retribution) to those
    destroying the earth and for Resurrection/Rewards to all the Saints, as Jesus taught in Matt.16:27, is at the 7th Trumpet…after “Chronos-Time is
    no longer” subject to a 1260-day countdown! You admit Jesus describes
    the Rapture in Matt.24:31!! You even admit verse 29 and 30 describe the
    2nd Advent of Jesus!!!

    But then you insert 7 years between the 2nd Advent in vs.30 and the
    Rapture in vs.31 as if Jesus forgot to mention the Pre-Trib Rapture! With a
    Jesus-correcting “Oops” you REMOVE the “appropriate time” for the Post-
    Trib Rapture as if Jesus needed correction!! You have given no evidence for
    “twisting the truth” that the “Day of Wrath” in Seal 6 occurs 7 years prior
    to the Post-Trib truth of Resurrection/Rapture/Retribution!!!

    Now you suddenly theorize there are “many last trumps and there is one Last Day for each individual, in Christ, who dies before the Pre-tribulation rapture/resurrection”! Your so-called truths have no place for THE Last Day or THE Last Trump when the “Lord God Almighty begins to reign”!! Rev.11:15-17. What a travesty of Scriptural hope you offer to those who “die in the Lord” until the last one is killed and God avenges their blood!!!

    Mel Miller www.lastday.net
     
    #82 Mel Miller, Jan 22, 2007
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