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Senator Obama Responds to Pastor Wright's Remarks

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Apr 29, 2008.

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  1. KenH

    KenH Active Member

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    "I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened by the spectacle that we saw yesterday."

    "The person I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago."

    "I gave him the benefit of the doubt in my speech in Philadelphia explaining that he's done enormous good. ... But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS. ... There are no excuses. They offended me. They rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced."

    - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/ap_on_el_pr/obama_pastor
     
  2. exscentric

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    He threw Wright right under the bus!
     
  3. KenH

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    Yep. He had no choice if he is to preserve any chance at winning the Democratic presidential nomination.
     
  4. Andre

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    I assume that you do not intend to imply that the nomination was the only criteria for denouncing Mr. Wright. It is obviously possible (and I suggest very likely) that Mr. Obama indeed genuinely disagrees with some of the absurd statements of Mr. Wright.
     
  5. KenH

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    If Senator Obama wasn't running for president then hardly anyone would have heard of Pastor Wright and his original remarks would have gone basically unnoticed and I doubt that his appearance at the NPC yesterday would have been covered by the news organizations. Thus, there would have been no reason for Senator Obama to have made his remarks today about Pastor Wright unless he was running for president.
     
  6. Andre

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    True. But given that Mr. Obama is running, the following 2 possibilities exist:

    1. Mr. Obama shares Mr. Wright's views (the offensive ones) but is distancing himself from Mr. Wright for political gain.

    2. Mr. Obama does not share the offensive views of Mr. Wright and the public rebuke of Mr. Wright, while it obviously serves Mr. Obama's intent to be the nominee, are a reflection of what Mr. Obama truly believes.

    I can only assume that you believe number 2.
     
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    A few months ago, he said he could no more disown Dr. Hatewhitey than he could his own grandmother.

    As far as today goes, I no more believe him now than I did back then. I findit highly doubtful he didn't know this stuff was being preached.
     
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    Evidently, one of Obama's spiritual gifts is NOT discernment.

    On the other hand, Michelle Obama has publicly expressed some of the same venom for America as Wright does.

    Did she arrive at her own misguided conclusions or was she influenced by Wright. If the latter, Obama has to be lying about not knowing Wright's agenda before now.

    Hmmm.....
     
  9. KenH

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    Yes, I go along with number 2, Andre.

    However, I do wonder if Pastor Wright has always talked like this on a consistent basis during the past two decades while Senator Obama attended that particular church, or are these outrageous remarks only a sometime thing.

    If the former, then that causes me problems with why Senator Obama would continue to attend church services there. If the latter, then this issue should now be ended.
     
  10. KenH

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    What venom?
     
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    Pretended ignorance or selective memory?;)
     
  12. KenH

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    I have not heard any venom in anything I have read or heard by Michelle Obama. However, maybe you have read or heard something that I have not as I have not heard much from her since she is not a candidate. Can you please provide what you think is "venom"?
     
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    Her remarks publicly reported several weeks ago.

    I believe it is pretended ignorance.

    OTOH Maybe that was when you were supporting Romney...or was it Paul?
    Maybe you weren't paying attention.:confused:


    But it may not matter soon, I sense another switch in your allegiance....
     
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    Ken, are you really denying hearing anything hateful from Mrs. Obama ? Really ?
     
  15. KenH

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    Pretended ignorance or selective memory on your part, carpro? ;)

    I have previously stated - on more than one occasion - that I will support Senator Clinton if she wins the nomination. However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you missed those particular posts.
     
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    Stay on topic , Ken. You're jumping around like you're choosing a candidate to support.
     
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    Please give specifics. I have not heard that Mrs. Obama ever expressed anything that could be (reasonably) characterized as "venom".
     
  18. KenH

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    Yep. The only supposedly controversial thing that I recall the radical right jumping on was some remark about feeling pride for the first time in her country during this campaign. If that is what carpro refers to as "venom" then he has a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, broad definition of the word "venom" in which he can take any comment and say that it is "venom". I reject such sophistry.
     
  19. KenH

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    You brought up the subject, carpro. Therefore, how about you staying on topic. ;)
     
  20. Revmitchell

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    Ken wasnt it you I saw with a "Obama 08" image as an avatar not so long ago?
     
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