Septuagint still perfect?

What was the species of Origen?

I dunno' but this KY hillbilly redneck is gonna' look and see, while trying to exhibit a better attitude to all, adn I'm glad you asked this question, since previously I had been Sulpicius of the direction and intent of the OP as well as the thread.

I really do desire to be Niceta everyone on this board, since it Perius to me, that Nonnus know the answer to your question, and certainly no one has Ptolemy.

I certainly don't want anyone else to Beatus to the punch, even though I desire no standing Novatian for what I may discover. I hope to have an answer for you Justin time for you to have, when you arise from Bede.

And if and when I do find an answer, I plan on Marcion down for myself for persistence.

Manes the time, I have asked this same question myself, but so far, this ol' KY redneck hillbilly ain't seen Arian answer, either.

Ed

 

Well, that puts this thread to rest...
That answers our questions...

Let's just put our church history texts to rest...

The LXX never existed..
It was just something the early church fathers made up...

Hmmmm..

And bigfoot really was found last month.
The toothfairy put a dollar under my pillow.
No one has ever landed on the moon.
9/11 was a conspiracy thought up by the great genious, Bush


Come on, do you really think we will take you seriously when you contradict so much church history?!

Not me.

 

Well friend, you did leave out the rest of my post where I provided the reasons why it didn't exist (and I said it didn't exist in the manner that most people think it did).

Maybe you misunderstood me. The LXX I am talking about is the ACTUAL manuscripts that were supposedly translated into greek in 250BC. They don't exist. The translation never happened. There are translations of the OT into Greek, but these didn't happen until approx 100AD, and the earliest ones that remain today are about 250AD, but these are not the LXX, they are just fragments. So I stand by my statement. The LXX, as it defined in the Letter of Aristeas, does not and never has existed.

Perhaps you will take me up on the offer to scan that chapter of the book I have about it, and you can refute it.

 

I have to question the logic of this thinking. Since we have no original manuscripts of the scriptures, does that mean they did not exist? I am missing your logic here.

 

:laugh: :laugh:
Nicean ya agin!

 

Luke, the “Septuagint” is the name we give to early Greek translations of the OT.

The Septuagint's existence doesn’t depend upon a fable regarding their origin.

That’s like saying that the story of George Washington’s apple tree incident is fictitious therefore George never existed.

The existence of these Greek translations is indisputable.
Readily available evidence of their use is found by examining OT quotes found in the Greek NT.

I personally don't need any scans of a book offered by any organization that has a KJVO agenda.

Rob

 

You forgot Nessie and the alien spaceship and body in Area 51! :laugh:

 

Someone might actually have an agenda???

"Say it isn't so, Ethel!"

I knew there was some reason I was already Sulpicius of this thread, from the 'get go,' even though no one Ptolemy why this should be, since "It is all Greek, to me."

Ed

 

Actually they probably did, being contemporaries as you note and on opposite sides of the LXX-only argument! Jerome (340-420 AD) seems to have made veiled references to Augustine (354-430) in his "Letter to Pammachius," which gives his philosophy of translation. He criticizes the LXX severely in one place especially, saying, "It would be tedious now to enumerate what great additions and omissions the Septuagint has made, and all the pasages which in church-copies are marked with daggers and asterisks" (W. H. Freemantle's translation).

By the way, the fact that all sides in the 4th century referred to the LXX as existing, and no one doubted it or claimed that it was a later invention ala Peter Ruckman's position, says to me that the LXX existed in the time of Christ, and was well known.

 

I think I just finally figgered out what actually happened, here.

Lemme' run it by you, for size.

The translator(s) of the version that came to be known as the LXX, probably were not really able to understand that manuscript they had found, in that Synagogue, that would later come to be known as AV1769, and so, were providentially enabled to render it into the common Greek language of that day. :thumbs:

Ed

 

Huh? You mean.... Or was it? Did I say...or did you? And then they.... Huh? :laugh:

 

Against those who rely on Ruckman for information, it should be noted that a number of LXX manuscripts have been found in Qumran that predate Christ. To list a few (from http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/rak/earlypaplist.html):
1. 4QLXXDeut [#819] (2nd bce, parchment roll, Dt 11)
2. PRyl 458 [#957 = vh057] (2nd bce, papyrus roll, Dt 23-28)
3. 7QLXXEx [#805 = vh038] (2nd/1st bce, papyrus roll, Ex 28)
4. 4QLXXLev\a [#801 = vh049] (2nd/1st bce, parchment roll, Lev 26)
5. 7QLXX EpJer [#804 = vh312] (2nd/1st bce, papyrus roll, EpJer/Bar6)

 

He is!

[personal attack deleted]

 

What about the personal attacks against me and my beliefs? I haven't complained to any admins yet, even though, in two threads, I have been mocked and had my beliefs likened to fairy tales, despite the fact that in both, I provided ample evidence which no one actually responded to.

No one has responded to the BIBLICAL FACTS & HISTORICAL FACTS that I posted back on page 1 (last post on page 1). All they did was liken my belief to believing in big foot or the loch ness monster, and then refused to read any evidence to the contrary. I imagine it is because people are fearful of reading something by Dr Ruckman. If your stand is so strong, and your views unwavering, why not read the chapter. It's 14 pages short, large easy to read type, so it's quite an easy read. The only agenda Ruckman has (and any one else that is KJBO) is believing the word of God is infallible, inspired and innerrant. Some crime...

Let me ask you brethren, would you mock a brother in Christ in real life, if he happened to disagree with you, or hold another viewpoint? Would you get in a big circle and poke fun at his beliefs?

(assuming you answered no)

Then why do it on a forum?

As far as I know, I haven't mocked anyone's belief in my disagreements.

If you answered yes, then you really need to consider drawing closer to Christ. While I may disagree with you about your beliefs, I would not mock you for believing them.

 

No one has attacked you.

Your 'facts' on page one are hardly facts, You state them as such without a shred of evidence.

Perhaps that is why no one has addressed them.

 

1. There were 72 translators, yet the translation is called the LXX = 70. What happened to the other two? According to the Letter, there were 6 elders from each tribe chosen to translate it. We read of the 70 elders of Israel in Numbers 11:16, but not 72. There is an inconsistency in the Jewish way here.

2. How did Aristeas get a hold of the 12 tribes? Noone but God knew where they were in 250BC, and there wasn't a priest in Jerusalem in 200BC who could find the genealogy for the 10 lost tribes!

3. Why would a group of 12 Tribes translate the Bible when only the Levites were entrusted with the job of being a custodian to the scriptures? (Mal 2:7, Deut 31:25, 26, 17:18)

a. If a Jew wrote the Letter to Aristeas, he was a heretic who denied his own scripture.

b. If he was a greek, he was ignorant of any Bible truth


The two points in bold are FACT - they are in the Bible, no matter what version or perversion you decide to use. Noone has addressed these.

It seems as though the word is not the final authority of many people here, hence the appeals to modern scholarship and the anti-nicene fathers.

EDIT:
Sorry, I posted without evidence. I guess that means I need to quote from a book or something.

Manuscript Evidence, Peter S Ruckman - Bible Baptist Bookstore Publishing, pp 45-61
Answers, Samuel L Gipp - Daystarpublishers, q#9 - http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/Gipp/ab_09.htm

 

Sorry bud... I know it exists...
I have it on e-sword!

Go to e-sword.net and download it!

You cannot tell me it doesn't exist...

I HAVE IT!!!