Seventh-Day Adventism

Oh Ed, you are funny :laugh:

I don't see anything constructive about being hard on anyone.
I don't like it when someone doesn't answer a simple yes or no (not talking of Bob, haven't read his posts enough) or tries to deviate from answering it by trying to ask a question of you first. It's rude. I don't like sarcasm either.
When one directs a question at someone, it's common courtesy to allow that person to answer without interrupting. My questions were simple yes or no's
but Bob answered others and didn't mine, I guess he decided to go to bed.

 

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Thanks for the link: exadventist.com

 

Joe -- sorry I missed this one yesterday.

Yes I believe Ellen White had the spiritual gift listed in 1Cor 12 as prophesy and also seen to be present in the church in 1Cor 14 "desire earnestly spiritual gifts especially that you may prophesy" - a church in which "EACH one has a revelation or teaching or tongue".

This would be the same as Agabus in the NT, Anna in the NT, Philips four daughters in the NT etc. A non-canonical prophet.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Hey Ed that is very kind of you. Thank you for sharing that.

in Christ,

Bob

 

In Acts 17:11 the teaching of Paul was being tested against scripture "sola scriptura" to see IF the things spoken to them by Paul were SO.

Even in the case of Paul they did not start with "whatever Paul says is infallible so just believe it" - how much more is it the case with a non-canonical writer like Ellen White?

The point is that only God is infallible. If the message is truly from God then IT must be correct -- and to know that you have to TEST it against the Bible just as they did in Acts 17:11.

1. That is the approach I take with Ellen White --

2. She had a lot to say on subjects that are in line with what SDA doctrine states -- claiming that this was a message from God. So IF SDA doctrine is incorrect (from a sola scriptura POV) on those doctrines that she endorsed specifically as something God gave a message about -- then she is a false prophet.

This is why I keep saying that this is much easier than many suppose. No SDA would argue that if you are STARTING from a non-SDA doctrinal view of scripture THEN you should find Ellen White's messages claimed to have been from God - to be in harmony with your view of scripture.

How much more direct can this be??

in Christ,

Bob

 

Again - I don't understand this line of reasoning given that non-SDAs are NON-SDAs and that Ellen White's messages were very much in line with SDA doctrine.

HOW in the world can anyone expect a non-SDA to be doctrinally satisified with SDA Doctrine????

in Christ,

Bob

 

That is best interpretation of what the Bible says on that point. Whether Ellen White thought the same thing is beside the point.

(I think we had an entire thread on that subject without needing to ask Ellen White what she thought about it):thumbs:

in Christ,

Bob

 

This is the same question I am attempting to have answered in the thread "Authorative Writings" I started for this very purpose.

I have no problem with White as being a Christian author for right living. But what I have tried to get answered is her writings concerning christian doctrines. Are they fallible or not according to the SDA church? Why can't this answer be a straight "yes" or "no". I always get the merry go round!!

Are the writings (not EGW) infallible? Yes or no?

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

I just love it when you claim to be confused over the easy stuff. Are you pretending to say that after reading my post above that i appear to say that "Ellen White is GOD and GOD alone is infallible, so maybe I mean Ellen White is infallible no matter what"???:laugh:

Going back to the "Authorotative writings thread" started as a way to discuss Ellen White --

 

HP: The Merry-go-round you feel you are on is one of your own making. This is the second time BR has stated this in the last few hours. What’s our point Steaver? If God only is infallible, how does this not answer your question directly?

I would like to comment about the ‘eye witnesses’ mentioned earlier, that were less than flattering about some actions of those involved in the SDA movement. I am not defending or judging any actions of Ellen White or any others in particular, but I would add some caution in judging them as some are obviously doing. There has not been a real movement of God that I have read about in which there have not been some strange antics involved. Read about the revivals of religion this planet has been privileged to encounter.

We should be careful with our judgment of what we think we see or the testimonies of what others say they think they saw and certainly exercise caution in who or what we accredit the strange actions of those involved. We may be found to be at direct antipodes with God’s very Holy Spirit in the end. That is not a place I desire to be found. I will always try to error on the side of caution in this regard.

Examine the case of those mentioned in Acts at Pentecost. Eye witnesses claimed they were drunk! So much for the validity of some eye witnesses. I personally might wonder about any that have not done anything in the Spirit that would be seen by others as strange or unusual.

 

We all have witnessed how so many churches today are shying away from their old titles of Baptist, Assembly of God, Nazarene etc. in adoption new names less likely to stir up old controversy. Could it be that some are indeed in need of, and possibly long over due, of following suit? Certainly no one on this list would be critical of that would they?

 

HP: I wonder how God would transform all of us if in fact the same could be said of the rest of us following your lead? Would there be any besides myself that would vow to pray for each one they communicate with on the list? That might even make a good requirement for posting.

 

Bob -- it is possible to lose your "earthly" salvation and not lose your eternal salvation. This is your error -- calling lost sanctification as if it were lost justification.

Simply put, we are "saved by His death" eternally (OSAS, justification) and "much more saved by His life" in this life, Rom 5:10 (sanctification). It's the difference between the condition of your soul eternally and of your spirit which must be "revived daily," 1Cor 15:31.

Know it or not (even if YOU are saved) YOU are severed right now from the body of Christ by your sin --- even the sin you commit here in your biblical ignorance. Do you notice that the body has severed YOU? That you are "as a stranger?"

skypair

 

Bob --- SDA, like Calvinism, is just another "systematic theology," a "mold" into which MAN has poured scripture trying to describe God logically or philosophically. Let's start with scripture and not SDA doctrinal statements.

skypair

 

Everytime when we commit sins, we are fallen from the Grace.
According to your theology, everytime when we commit sins, we lose the salvation, then we get salvation again by good works again, then we lose the salvation again. It means that your Holy Spirit comes in and goes out every day. My God the Holy Spirit is not hanky panky like that !

Otherwise, you may not commit any sins at all so that you may not lose the salvation until death. You may excuse that you don't commit the un-repented sins. But even it is a lie when we read 1 John 1.

Aaron confessed all the inequities of Israel unto the Scape Goat ( Lev 16:21). Do you confess your sins to Satan? or to Jesus Christ?

Did God need Satan for the redemption work?

 

I didn't ask if you felt she had the gift of prophesy or any details, I only asked you two simple questions in which I wanted a simple yes or no. Well try again, but please be courteous enough to let me know you don't want to answer. I'll do the same, it's our right not to answer anything we choose.

Again, WITH A SIMPLE YES OR A NO. That's all, no details, no explanations.

1. Do you believe Ellen White is a Messenger from God?
2. Do you believe she is/was a Prophet?

A few posts back I gave my opinion concerning people who avoid yes or no questions, so expect me to follow through with expecting that courtesy from you.

 

Sure, kind of like this, having denied the atonement, Ellen White is currently enduring the torment she did not believe existed.

Martin Luther was saved while he was still in the RC church, not because of it but in spite of it; yet once saved, he left it and testified against it. Those who profess to be the Lord's people among the JW's Mormons SDA's etc. are to do the same.


BGTF

 

We don't know Ellen White is enduring any torment, c'mon now. And what do you mean she denied torment existed BGTF?