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You ask that question as if the premise is actually true. Why are you doing that? Surely you did not actual "Read" "[FONT=&quot]Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce[/FONT]", or the book "Patriarch's and Prophets" to see IF your premise was even true. Surely you are just sticking with your tried-and-true "make stuff up then use it as an accusation" - right?

(Or maybe you are about to really surprise me here.).

in Christ,

Bob

 

As compelling as simple name calling is to those not inclined to study the subject at hand - it is not as compelling to unbiased objective observers. This is the lesson comes to us out of the dark ages - in this age of enlightenment and full access to the Bible.

More people are needed who will appreciate this not-so-subtle detail.


In the mean time it is your own "Baptist preacher" - William Miller that is so helpful in establishing the Premill Adventists and your own Seventh-day Baptist - Rachael Oaks that is so helpful in turning Adventists into "Seveth-day Adventists" and it is your own "Baptist Confession of Faith " (even as edited by C.H. Spurgeon) that is arguing the case that D.L. Moody also makes for the Ten Commandment, Moral Law of God - given to Adam in Eden and binding on the saints today - as the Commandments of God - under the New Covenant.

All the name-calling in the world is not going to erase those historic facts. And I think we both know it.


in Christ,

Bob

 

OK - I guess all I am saying is that when a Baptist Church calls up one of their own and declares him to be a Baptist Preacher - it is not the same thing as an SDA church calling someone to preach.

So if you want to blame what Baptist churches do on Catholics or Methodists or Adventists - go ahead. I am just saying that it does not carry much weight with the rest of us when you try out that solution.:laugh:

While Miller was a member of a Baptist church in Low Hampton he began preaching and publishing to Baptist readers and congregations. In 1832 Miller submitted a series of sixteen articles to the Vermont Telegraph, a Baptist newspaper. The first of these was published on May 15, and Miller writes of the public's response: "I began to be flooded with letters of inquiry respecting my views; and visitors flocked to converse with me on the subject."[2]

But if you say we should give the credit to the Methodists or someone else - fine.

And I am pretty sure that Rachael Oak's views on the 4th commandment - so consistent with the Seventh-day Baptist church from which she came - are not rejected by them today.

And I guess there are still one or two Baptists who like D.L. Moody agree with the Baptist Confession of Faith - that C.H. Spurgeon was so happy about.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Is it your claim that William Miller at some point renounced his Baptist beliefs?

If so - I never read about it.

in Christ,

Bob

 

From that same wiki page we have this - (just two paragraphs after the point where you stopped your quote above)

If you read my posts carefully I never claim that William Miller was ever a Seventh-day Adventist. My claim was that the distinctives teaching about premillennialism and the day for year principle applied consistently from Daniel 7 straight through to Daniel 9 and the 490 years for the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 - was Miller's contribution.

However in Miller's day -- all the Millerites were called "Adventists" so you may have slipped up there.

As for your claim that David Koresh -- or more accurately - Vernon Wayne Howell, founded the Branch Davidians remains to be seen. I thought they existed long before Howell. Maybe I missed something there. If there is a single doctrine that the Branch Davidians claim they got from Wayne - I would like to know what it is.

in Christ,

Bob

 

The question is - did William Miller ever come out from the Baptist Church after his return from Deism - his return to the Baptist Church? As far as I know - he died a Baptist.

 

What is amazing is that you think that name-calling solves the problem you have in your own contradictions of Spurgeon and D.L. Moody on those very points.

 

And then of course I recently found out from members here - about a surprising level of consistency with the Baptist Confession of Fath 1689 with it's teaching about the moral law of God being the TEN Commandments - given to mankind in Eden.
http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/bcof.htm#part19

And with the 1689 Confession stating that Genes 2:3 is the giving of the 4th commandment to mankind.



and with C.H Spurgeon's affirmation of it -
"This ancient document is the most excellent epitome of the things most surely believed among us. It is not issued as an authoritative rule or code of faith, whereby you may be fettered, but as a means of edification in righteousness. It is an excellent, though not inspired, expression of the teaching of those Holy Scriptures by which all confessions are to be measured."

http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/bcof.htm


And also thanks to members here for explaining certain consistencies with the General Baptists and of course Free Will Baptists.

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Which of course would just get us more rant and name-calling from Y1 -

Indeed. But I think to be fair there are really just a couple that seem to offer nothing-but-name-calling as their "contribution".

in Christ,

Bob