K, juss makin' sure
Seventh-day Adventists continued...
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by steaver, Jan 3, 2018.
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What we are debating here ultimately is whether I can help or hinder myself OR anyone else at all.
To do what God says IS HEAVEN.
Luke 9
23And He was saying to them all, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me. 24“For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake, he is the one who will save it. 25“For what is a man profited if he gains the whole world, and loses or forfeits himself? 26“For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory, and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. 27“But I say to you truthfully, there are some of those standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God.”
It is a SELFISH mind who's prime concern is the idolatry of his eternal life.
FOLKS excuse themself from doing God's command cause it doesn't pay you.
I don't need a written certificate from my parents stating that they love me. I think its pathetic to seek a safety net against God.
FOLKS spit on the command of God as if it is some chore, when it really is the treasure itself. -
How can you obey God, being so ignorant of the Scriptures? -
Hey this is the Seventh-day Adventist thread - you're supposed to be bashing SDAs not Catholics on this thread. :)
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Chapter 11 has NOTHING to do gentiles losing salvation, just teaches us that we need to make sure that we are actually now saved and in the faith, unlike those Israelites who were faithless and not saved! -
Do you agree with that?
And do you agree with the Baptist Confession of faith - and also D.L. Moody that all TEN of the TEN commandments are written on the heart under the NEW Covenant since they are all included in the moral Law of God for all mankind?
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Chapter 11 has NOTHING to do gentiles losing salvation,![/QUOTE]
Until you "read the Bible details" in Romans 11
Rom 11 "you stand only by your FAITH"
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. -
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Rom 11 "you stand only by your FAITH"
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.[/QUOTE]
This is the same as the "warning" given in hebrews 6, asthose who merely profess Jesus but are not really saved will by showing in the end toi be fakers, but real ones will show in the end to continue and be steadfast and really saved! -
Rom 11 "you stand only by your FAITH"
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.[/QUOTE]
The gyrations that logic needs to "fix" Romans 11 for OSAS is beyond all explanation -
Your argument does not work in Romans 11 since it is talking about those who fail to persevere... you have "bent" it into "fail to persevere in being lost" as if doing THAT will get you from lost...to... ?? lostER???
The gyrations that logic needs to "fix" Romans 11 for OSAS is beyond all explanation[/QUOTE]
Except that Jesus stated to us that NONE whom he ever really saves will be lost again, as ALL will be raised up by Him in the end. Was he right or wrong? -
Hmmmmmmm....NO SDA commentary defending EGW! Could it be I'm right about her & the SDAs in general?
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Every response to every question about SDA doctrine has been right out of the Bible on this thread -- this is irrefutable. -
Even IF we grant the gift of prophesy still exists in the church, which I do not, that does not mean the office of the Prophet still remains! -
The Sda, as the RCC does, takes the literal understanding concerning doctrines such as Communion and Sabbath, and not see the Spiritual intended meanings.
Yeshua1,
Elsewhere I have conclusively proven that the SDA, like the JWs, is a cult.
Isn't it Board policy to remove cultists and, for instance, those who
do not believe in the Trinity?
Recall, SDA teaches that Christ is the Archangel Michael; a Created
Being, not Lord and God.
I happen to know someone who was kicked off the Forums for saying
the three Persons of the Godhead were not equal.
Are you going to continue to debate with BobRyan, who like the Witnesses,
is thoroughly brainwashed, and will NOT change his mind, no matter how
persuasive you think your arguments are?
The best you can do is to pray for his salvation. -
I prefer actual facts. -
Turns out that is what is in our 28 Fundamental Beliefs -- not the fiction you offer in your statement above -- and you probably even know this to be true. How odd that you would seek to mislead
Why not make a new start and let actual facts inform your posts from now on? Try it.
Vitriol-alone and sola-vitriol is not the grand "solution" you seem to have imagined it to be. -
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Should have added (have you not read 1 Cor 12? or Ephesians 4? or 1 Thess 5:20-22, or 1 Cor 14:1-2? or 1 Cor 14:39-40?)
Sola-scriptura Bible testing is important - even if you don't like what you are reading in the Bible -
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