Seventh-day Adventists - not a cult according to Walter Martin's "Kingdom of the Cults"

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  1. church mouse guy Well-Known Member
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    I always defend SDA. You have to look at each church, but most of them are Christian. I have met and worked with many of them here in Indianapolis. They once held their national convention here. Also, Indianapolis is home to Dr. Cory SerVas, editor of the Saturday Evening Post.

    Walter Martin wasn't the only one to stand up for the SDA. SDA members in Indianapolis are often very friendly and quite interested in good health and good nutrition as Dr. SerVas clearly is.
     
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    I just had to chuckle, seeing this at the Redeemer NYC (PCA) church website:

    Kathy Keller:

    "on April 4, 1989, Redeemer Presbyterian Church held its first worship service. We met at the Church of the Advent Hope, at 111 East 87th Street, a Seventh-Day Adventist Church,...which would be Redeemer’s home for the next four years."
     
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    I posted some of EGW's false prophecies in a couple of now-closed threads.

    Scripture gives a nutshell description of SDA:

    2 Tim. 3:
    having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
     
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    God leaving things in the hands of a underdog is nothing new.

    If SDA were a cult there would not even be any dialogue between us.

    They would just flat out ignore their opposition. Just like you are going to ignore this post.
    Shunning/Ignoring is central to a cult, IGNORANCE and ignorant people, ignore what they disagree with.

    Despite their pretty paranoid view of my faith, i'm pretty confident SDA view of God is a Kind and Loving God.


    Calvinist Character of GOD however........... I couldn't insult God more than Calvinist do if I TRIED.

    Because you actually BELIEVE and buy into what would be considered flat out evil.


    A Muslim's idea of God is better then a Calvinist.

    If the character of God from every religion was person for a day and he walked upon lake with 10 kids drowning in it. It would be pretty easy to pick the Calvinist God, he's the one who lets some kids drown, even though he could save them, just to show the how much they should appreciate his "mercy".

    Not even a Muslim God would let those kids drown.


    I'll take a crazy prophetess with a GOOD GOD over a EVIL GOD any day.
     
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    I'm only a casual observer and a layman but I could never get interested in Ellen White's writings. Isn't she fading with time?
     
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    We aren't discussing how well manicured one's lawns are. We are discussing theological beliefs. Many "nice" people hold to doctrines which have their origins in the heart of Satan.

     
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    Please tell me which doctrines you label as satanic, ThatBrian. In the essentials, I think that SDA is Christian. Everyone has a few odd things that are unimportant in his doctrinal system as long as those things are peripheral. "In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, in all things charity."
     
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    Posts that prove nothing and merely accuse ...are the best forms of "hot air" style opposition one could hope for
     
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    That is precisely the conclusion that Walter Martin came to in his book as he totally destroyed Hoekema's false and shallow arguments against the SDA denomination.
     
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    That would be an interesting and welcomed "change" from the direction you have been going so far - at least in your posts.
     
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    More specifically - SDAs have never used Ellen White's writings to prove their doctrinal positions so the entire "I want to talk about Ellen White and not the Bible" diatribe here by a small group is a sign that some people here are not even reading the material they claim to know so much about ... nor reading the posts on Baptist Board.

    All evangelistic programs, outreach, Bible study - (and of my posts here) -- make their doctrinal case "sola scriptura". Which is the "last thing" some folks here are interested in doing.
     
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    Good point. Paul Harvey another great example of a non-SDA that had a lot of good things to say about them.

    And of course - Dr.Ben Carson who ran as a Presidential Candidate - another example of an Adventist in the news.

    Also Adventists are well known as the group that started the "Creation Science" movement defending the Bible account of creation.
     
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    I keep meaning to continually post your list - thanks for doing it for me
     
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    1. We believe that Scripture is the divinely revealed word of God and is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
    2. We believe that the canon of Scripture is composed only of the sixty-six books of the Old and New Testaments.
    3. We believe that Scripture is the foundation of faith and the final authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.
    4. We believe that Scripture is the Word of God in human language.
    5. We believe that Scripture teaches that the gift of prophecy will be manifest in the Christian church after New Testament times.

    How sad
     
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    You are twisting the position of others -- if you really thought you had a case you would ask me something about doctrine and see if I said "This scriputre means - this - because Ellen White said so" RATHER than my saying "here are well known non-SDA bible scholars and translators that freely admit this scripture means -- this--"... And we ALL know it!!

    Constant attempts to misstate and mislead not at all as well disguised as you may have at first imagined to yourself.
     
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    You obviously don't now anything about the SDA, and I'm sure they like it that way. They would rather you judge, as you have, their outward appearance and fail to see the doctrines of demons behind it.
     
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    That is true of you -- not sure if it is true of those you falsely accuse
     
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    What don't I know, that Ellen White suffered brain damage from being hit with a rock as a child? Or, that she claimed to speak for God yet her "prophesies" failed to come to pass? Or, that people like you use her writings in order to understand God's word? Maybe it's the legalism and self-righteousness that I don't understand - the gospel-less message of law-keeping in the SDA. Maybe I don't quite get that?
     
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    That bit of common news about her childhood seems to be your great accomplishment so far.

    Yet on this very thread you claimed you were actually looking at doctrine instead of mere "fluff" --

    How "instructive"
     
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    Ok now one more time ... slowly

    - if you really thought you had a case you would ask me something about doctrine and see if I said "This scriputre means - this - because Ellen White said so" RATHER than my saying "here are well known non-SDA bible scholars and translators that freely admit this scripture means -- this--"... And we ALL know it!!

    Constant attempts to misstate and mislead not at all as well disguised as you may have at first imagined to yourself