Seventh-day Adventists - not a cult according to Walter Martin's "Kingdom of the Cults"

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  1. BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    1. We believe that Scripture is the divinely revealed word of God and is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
    2. We believe that the canon of Scripture is composed only of the sixty-six books of the Old and New Testaments.
    3. We believe that Scripture is the foundation of faith and the final authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.
    4. We believe that Scripture is the Word of God in human language.
    5. We believe that Scripture teaches that the gift of prophecy will be manifest in the Christian church after New Testament times.

    How sad
     
  2. BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    Out of curiosity - do you ever plan to "discuss theological beliefs"??

    It would make for a more interesting change in focus. False accusations, rant and emotional vitriol only go so far.
     
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    Come on. I am open-minded but I am not a mind reader. Tell me what you object to in their doctrines. Maybe I will agree with you. Look, I am a great admirer of SDA theologian Desmond Ford and also another Australian David Down who straightened out the timeline of Egyptian history for the world. As I told you before, I have known many of them over the years because they have a very active presence in Indianapolis. Dr. Cory SerVas, whose husband bought the Saturday Evening Post and moved it to Indianapolis, is very well-known in Indianapolis because her husband Burt SerVas was a prominent industrialist and financier as well as presiding officer of the Indianapolis City Council for many, many years, but she herself was known nationally for her SDA expertise in food and nutrition and her editorship of the magazine. She also was a member of the US President's Commission on the HIV epidemic. She also authored several books and has appeared on C-Span and many other television programs. I have a doctor acquaintance who works in an SDA hospital.
     
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    If you can get him to actually discuss doctrine even for a minute you will be way ahead of me on that one.
     
  5. BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    Just made a post where my answer is because of direct/divine information God gave Ellen White -- #3

    I wanted to immediately rush over to this thread and let you know so you can read it and offer your expert opinion.

    Just trying to give you some actual fact to work with. Let's see what you can do with this.
     
  6. BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    The Adventist denomination serves the same role prior to Christ's return -- as did Noah and John the baptizer. God has given this church the mission of giving the last warning message to the world as found in Revelation 14 (among other places)
     
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    How many churches does God have???
     
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    Damage to one's frontal lobe can cause delusion of grandeur. That would explain a lot about Ellen White. It would not, however, let you off of the hook for following her delusions.
     
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    I don't need nor want to ask you anything, Bob. You follow a woman who was bonked on the head, had a third grade education, and blasphemed by her false prophecy. You would swallow all of that, I wouldn't trust your judgement enough to ask you what time it was.
     
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    Yes. Now we are getting somewhere. Bob and his special friends are gnostics. In fact the SDA is the poster-child for gnosticism.

    It's filled with special people who are keepers of special knowledge that the rest of of Sunday-worshiping heathen are simply blind to.

    Thanks, Bob.
     
  11. BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    There are a great many saved Christians in the world - they are not all in one single denomination
     
  12. BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    until you actually read the text of what she wrote.

    For example - her book on Education was copied almost verbatim

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    A graduate student working on an advanced degree at Teachers’ College, Columbia University, in 1959 discovered a copy of Ellen White’s Education in the personal reference library of Florence Stratemeyer. Stratemeyer, a leading educator and professor of education, was invited to give an address before a convention of Adventist teachers in Washington, D.C. In it she said, among other things: “Recently the book Education, by Ellen G. White, has been brought to my attention. Written at the turn of the century, this volume was more than fifty years ahead of its times. And I was surprised to learn that it was written by a woman with but three years of schooling.

    Six years earlier Professor Tsunekichi Mizuno of Japan’s Tamagawa University (and formerly head of the Tokyo Museum of Science and director of social education for the Japanese Ministry of Education) recommended Education to parents, teachers, and students. He called it “most profitable reading in our understanding of the ‘New Education.’”

    The minister of education of a southern European country had been studying at Teachers’ College, Columbia University. He had come to the United States for the newest and best in educational policy and program of his newborn state. Upon his return to southern Europe, Raja R. Radosavlyevish “authored” a work on religious and moral education. It was written in the Serbian language, published by the state university press, and acclaimed by that institution as the “best book” on religious education in that language. When Adventist church leaders in Serbia read the work, they recognized it immediately—it was a translation of Ellen White’s Education, with an introduction written by the Serbian minister of education. Eighty percent of the new book came directly from Ellen White’s pen! Was it plagiarism? Who knows the good man’s motivation? If Charles Caleb Colton is correct in his dictum (“Imitation is the sincerest [form] of flattery”), then Adventists should indeed feel flattered!

    Those are all non-SDAs looking "at the text" -- able and interesting "in reading"
     
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    But you said "this church" as if there are "other churches". How many churches does God have?
     
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    In 1960 Paul Harvey, American Broadcasting Company news commentator and United Features syndicated columnist, wrote a 16-paragraph article featuring Ellen White. It began:
    “Once upon a time, a hundred years ago, there lived a young lady named Ellen White. She was frail as a child, completed only grammar school [actually, she never really finished the third grade], and had no technical training, and yet she lived to write scores of articles and many books on the subject of ‘healthful living.’ “Remember, this was in the days when doctors were still bloodletting and performing surgery with unwashed hands. This was in an era of medical ignorance bordering on barbarism. Yet Ellen White wrote with such profound understanding of the subject of nutrition that all but two of the many principles she espoused have been scientifically established.” Harvey then pointed out how she was correct about the preference for olive oil over animal fat in the diet. We recognize now her wisdom in scoring refined white flour as lacking in nutritive value. Her warnings concerning the dangers of overuse of salt and irregularity in eating have proved correct.
    In 1960 there were two unverified statements from her pen: the use of multigrains instead of merely whole wheat in breadmaking, and vegetarianism.

    Nine years later columnist Harvey did an update on Mrs. White for his newspaper readers across America. After citing the low incidence of strokes, respiratory diseases, and cancer among Adventists, he continued: “It has tended to reaffirm the faith of the faithful to discover that the most advanced scientific findings support what was written and taught by this amazing little lady, Ellen White, more than a century ago. If future scientific findings continue to support hers, let’s see what tomorrow’s doctors will be prescribing: “Ellen White advised against overeating. Also against crash dieting. (‘Do not go to extremes.’) Minimal sweets. (She said that sugar is not good for the stomach.) “She recommended grains, vegetables, fruits—especially apples. (‘Apples are superior to any fruit.’) “She recommended against meat. Coffee, and tea. And, sorry, no hot biscuits. “If some of her recommendations sound extreme, imagine how they must have sounded in 1863. Yet modern science continues more and more to say, ‘She was right’!”
     
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    Many denominations have saved Christians in them.. I am talking about one of them.

    Many saved people at the time of John the baptizer - but he had a unique mission during his day..
     
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    If 1,000,000 people have kind words to say about your cult leader, does that mean that she is not a cult leader?

    Appeal to authority isn't an argument.
     
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    Without the gospel, there is no Christianity.
     
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    I'm not sure why you are side-stepping the question?

    You said below, "God has given this church the mission of giving the last warning message..."

    And you are alluding to the SDA's. How many churches does God have?
     
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    True that is why even Walter Martin noticed that Hoekema was dead wrong and that SDAs do preach the Gospel.

    Are you trying to shoot yourself in the foot on that one?
     
  20. BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    And I keep pointing out that my reference is to the SDA denomination having a unique mission as also John the baptizer had but that does not mean John was the only saved person in his day or that SDAs are the only Christians


    How in the world am I "Alluding" when I outright say that I am talking about the Adventist church having a unique mission?

    Where is the confusing issue???