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Shattering Conventional Wisdom About Saddam's WMD's

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  1. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member

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    A long read, but annotated and documented.


    http://www.aina.org/news/20071116105448.htm

    Shattering Conventional Wisdom About Saddam's WMD's

    We live in an age of documents. There are no more secrets, only deferred disclosures. Saddam Hussein's secret documents are measured by the shelf-mile and stored inside a secure but dusty facility near U.S. Central Command Headquarters in Doha, Qatar, and in several subsidiary sites. Armed guards protect the unread dossiers. Three shifts of two hundred translators each work around the clock. Perhaps 5% of these captured documents have been studied so far, but their contents are about to shatter much of the conventional wisdom concerning Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.

    The absolutists on either side of the WMD debate will be more than a bit chagrinned at the disclosures. The documents show a much more complex history than previously suspected. The "Bush lied, people died" chorus has insisted that Saddam had no WMD whatsoever after 1991 - and thus that WMD was no good reason for the war. The Neocon diehards insist that, as in Raiders of the Lost Ark, the treasure-trove is still out there somewhere, buried under the sand dunes of Iraq.[1] Each side is more than a little bit wrong about Saddam's WMD, and each side is only a little bit right about what happened to it.

    The gist of the new evidence is this: roughly one quarter of Saddam's WMD was destroyed under UN pressure during the early to mid 1990's. Saddam sold approximately another quarter of his weapons stockpile to his Arab neighbors during the mid to late 1990's. The Russians insisted on removing another quarter in the last few months before the war. The last remaining WMD, the contents of Saddam's nuclear weapons labs, were still inside Iraq on the day when the coalition forces arrived in 2003, but were stolen from under the Americans' noses and sent to Syria. Syria is one of eight countries in the world that never signed a treaty banning WMD, and now is the storehouse for much of what remains of Saddam's WMD Empire. This was the target of the recent Israeli air strike.

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    Translating shelf miles of documents, however, may take decades. In the meantime, enough of Saddam's secret files have been translated to illustrate one clear trend over time: through the time of Hans Blix and the run-up to the invasion, Saddam had absolutely no intention of destroying his WMD.

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    In terms of WMD, newly released documents from Saddam's government suggest that the Russians knew exactly what they were doing when it came to hiding illegal weapons. While Russian scientists were working hand-in-hand with Iraqi scientists on WMD, Russian spies inside CENTCOM were warning Saddam how to avoid detection from the UN inspectors. Saddam's secret files also mention an Associated Press reporter who passed information on how the UN inspection teams were being trained.[18] The Russian Ambassador himself handed over many of America's secret war plans.[19]

    Most importantly, Saddam's intelligence services credit Russia's critical help in misleading the UN into thinking that Iraq was in compliance with the resolution paragraphs requiring destruction of its WMD. "We have succeeded in a few of the UN paragraphs…we have won Russia, ahhh…we have convinced Russia by way of generous accounts." [20]
     
  2. KenH

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    An article posted from FrontPageMagazine, a rag of neo-con David Horowitz.

    :sleep:
     
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    carpro Well-Known Member

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    You're absolutely right not to read it, KenH.

    That's why your opinion of what it says is so valuable.:thumbs:
     
  4. KenH

    KenH Active Member

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    You assume too much.
     
  5. Ivon Denosovich

    Ivon Denosovich New Member

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    Recently, our residential supporter of Giuliani started a thread which asked, "How do we know the war is going well?" The thread's premise: nothing to publicly flaunt. So be it. How do we know there were no WMD's? Via the same observation. When logic comes full circle it's a startling thing, eh?
     
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    carpro Well-Known Member

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    You are right not to read it as well.

    Why bust your bubble?
     
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    carpro Well-Known Member

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    Attention everyone!!

    Please do not read the source article.

    It's much too long. It's too old. It appeared in the wrong magazine. It was written by the wrong person. You've probably already got your mind made up about the subject. You're sleepy.

    Why bother? Just post a gratuitous comment and go on.

    Don't waste the valuable time you allot to BB on this article.

    :wavey:
     
  8. Dagwood

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    Alright, I won't.

    You're right, I am sleepy.

    It's probably just more effort on your part to justify our invasion of Iraq.
     
  9. 2 Timothy2:1-4

    2 Timothy2:1-4 New Member

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    If the anti war ninnies have to confront reality then they cannot maintain the visceral hatred and one more excuse to move th country in a wrong direction will be shot down. The only way toefect the change they want is if all else fails. They are all counting on failure. Libertarian and democrat liberals alike.
     
  10. saturneptune

    saturneptune New Member

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    Are you by chance speaking of the liberal policies of George Bush, such as record deficits, immigration amnesty, uncontrolled borders, no social security reform, outsourcing to other countries, adding perscription drug coverage to medicare, etc, etc, etc.

    Getting back to the op, it was fascinating. There is no doubt that the WMDS are somewhere today.
     
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  11. 2 Timothy2:1-4

    2 Timothy2:1-4 New Member

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    You continue to erroneously think I support the president on these issues. You do not really seem to be paying attention.:BangHead:


    Back to the op: I am sure it will all be exposed in time.
     
  12. KenH

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    There is no doubt that there were no WMDs to be somewhere in March 2003.
     
  13. KenH

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    Not at all. Our courageous military personnel removed Saddam Hussein from power and gave the Iraqi people a representative form of government on a silver platter paid for with their blood and American treasure. That is victory, not failure.

    I think it is shameful that there are conservatives who refuse to recognize what our brave troops have accomplished and refer to it as failure.
     
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    saturneptune New Member

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    Was that you doubling for Slim Pickens riding the missle in "Dr. Stangelove?"
     
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    So true. This evidence if being discredited on here simply because it doesn't fit their agenda.
     
  16. hillclimber1

    hillclimber1 Active Member

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    Is your tongue firmly in cheek? No, of course not.
     
  17. hillclimber1

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    It really irks me when you shamelessly clap for our troops, while undermining them with your political rhetoric.

    Conservatives don't do that, liberals do, Ken.
     
  18. Baptist in Richmond

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    Bottom line: we found NOTHING.
    All the claims otherwise still don't change that fact, despite the claims being made in perpetuity.

    We found NOTHING.
     
  19. KenH

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    You act like the word "liberal" is a four letter word. Call me a liberal all you want from now on. I will wear the label proudly when it is used by such as you and Timmy.
     
  20. KenH

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    Unfortunately, BiR, there are conservatives who became divorced from reality several years ago due to their desparate attempt to defend George W. Bush's Iraq policy and due to their fear and/or hatred for non-Republicans.
     
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