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Shootout at the Daytona Corral

Discussion in 'Sports Forum' started by ccrobinson, Feb 9, 2008.

  1. ccrobinson

    ccrobinson New Member

    Jan 12, 2005
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    While this one was posted the same night of the race, I can't guarantee that all the reviews are going to be posted this way.

    Here we are at the palatial Race Guy Mansion (if it's good enough for Simmons to use, it's good enough for me to copy) for the Clash... er, the Shootout. I don't know why, but I still refer to it as the Clash. For at least the 1st 3 years of Nextel as title sponsor, I called them Winston Cup cars, so this is nothing new to me.

    I agree with Darrell. It seems like Fox has been covering Nascar longer than 8 years. After 8 years of coverage, I think Fox does it better than anybody else right now, but the Gold Standard of Nascar coverage will probably always be ESPN with Ned and Benny as analysts.

    Ok, here's the beginning of this "Return to our Roots" campaign from Brian France. Nascar says that they're going to allow the drivers to show more emotion this year, as a direct response to what the fans have said they want to see. On Friday, Junior flatout said that he didn't believe them. I don't believe them, either.

    So, Tony and Kurt wreck, and after they show their emotions, Nascar takes them to the hauler. <insert eyeroll here> (no smiley since I have to save them for the end of the post). That deserves a "Whatever". Personally, I think the fans don't even know what they want, but at least Nascar is taking the step of saying, "We're going to try and give you what you asked for." Is there any group of fans that complain more about their sport than Nascar fans, your faithful reporter included? I really don't think we know what we want.

    Kurt Busch is running his Martinsville car, and I'm very interested to see if it makes a difference. With this new car, it's not supposed to. The teams are supposed to be able to make adjustments to the splitter and the wing that should allow a short-track car to run on a superspeedway. Definitely something to watch.

    Kevin Harvick states that there is no side-draft anymore. That is definitely something to watch, too.

    Chris Myers takes the lead in the category of Most Obscure Pop Culture References of 2008 with an "All About Eve" reference. "All About Eve"? A 58 year old movie reference is the best you can do? Myers really needs the writer's strike to be over.

    I love the commercial where the guy's car dies in front of the jewelry store just as his needy, clingy girlfriend says that she seems them spending the rest of their lives together. I can almost hear the voiceover asking, "Want to get away?"

    Fox replays memorable moments from the Busch Clash over the years and there were apparently only 3. I have 3 of my own.

    In the '91 Clash, Earnhardt went from 6th to 1st in less than 2 laps in the 1st segment and won it. For the 2nd segment, they inverted the field and Earnhardt went from last to 1st in less than 2 laps and won. You can see it here, but the video quality is horrible.

    In the '93 Clash, Earnhardt won both segments again, going from 15th to 1st in 5 laps. Following the above link will also let you see the '93 race, but that video quality is horrible too. My absolute favorite line of the race was from Ned Jarrett, when Earnhardt took the lead in segment 1.


    My 3rd Clash moment is the 2002 race where Earnhardt gets a huge bump draft from Kurt Busch to take the lead on the high side. Very exciting moment in the race and I think it propelled Junior to the win.

    BTW, 2 weeks after that horrible wreck that Ricky Rudd had in the '84 race, he drove to victory at Richmond with his eyes taped open.

    It is very strange to see the #8 and know that Junior isn't driving it.

    After a brutal '07 season, it was nice to see Michael up front.

    I like the announcers shutting up through the first lap. I wouldn't mind if they were silent more often.

    DW must be seeing something that I don't, because I don't see the new cars moving around anymore than the old cars did.

    Junior taking the lead! Attaboy!

    DW makes it seem like Michael and Junior are working together. Would somebody please tell Darrell that cars running side by side aren't working together? I think Darrell's just giddy because Michael's actually racing on the track.

    I don't get the Toyota truck commercials where they do crazy things like swing enormous steel beams at the truck. It doesn't look like a computer simulation to me, but I don't believe for a second that they put the drivers of the trucks in danger like they would be if those things were for real.

    Tom Brad... uh, I mean... Derek Anderson! Randy... oh right... Chad Johnson! The AFC! The NFC! It's the most worthless all star game in sports! On Fox!

    I completely agree with DW. I thought Junior would be chomping at the bit to get things underway and go to the front in his first race with his new team. I remember the press conference when Junior announced he would be going with Hendrick and he was downright giddy. During winter testing, Junior spoke volumes without saying a word when he flew down to Daytona on a day that he didn't have to be there in order to work with his new team. That move told me how much he wants to win and how he's willing to put in the kind of effort required to win.

    Jamie McMurray had a nice save and DW and Larry talked about how the big wing is the reason that the drivers will be able to save cars like that. I don't know if they're right, but it's worth watching.

    Heh. Junior taking over and carrying the camel. BTW, I saw something a couple of weeks ago that tells me something about Junior and his new teammates. Apparently, his teammates got wind of Junior up on a camel to film a commercial and Jimmie Johnson cracked on him about it. Women don't necessarily get this, but I guarantee that every guy that reads this review knows that Jimmie busting Junior's chops is exactly what guys that are friends do to one another. Good sign, I think.

    I'm not sure what set this thought off, but one of the smartest things that Fox ever did was to make sure that the former drivers and crew chiefs brought that perspective to the telecast. As good as Ned Benny (the Gold Standard for analysts) were, they were former drivers and didn't have the crew chief perspective to bring to the table like Hammond and Larry Mac do.

    Harvick may be on to something, because the side-draft technique didn't work at all on the pass that just made happened.

    Ok, help me and Steve Byrnes understand something. Carl Edwards was told to do what the leaders did. Junior and Blaney stayed out, so Carl did too. So, why was Byrnes acting like Carl made a mistake? Every driver that came in on this caution was behind Carl, so it sounds like he did exactly what he was supposed to. Either Steve Byrnes is confused, or I am.

    Toyota just swung their truck around like it was on a centrifuge. I officially call BS.

    Somebody forgot to tell Junior that you can't side draft anymore. As it's been said many times, the apple didn't fall far from the tree on how Junior drives restrictor plate races.

    Give credit to DW for pointing out that the tires are getting old and the cars are sliding around more. Junior's driving up on top because he's trying to find some grip.

    There's no way in the world that 2 tires was the right call when everybody else is getting 4. If you won't be able to hold the great track position you picked up when you got 2 tires, then what good was it to get just 2?

    DW: I knew a guy who once said "That car don't know where it is." Obviously a quote from Junior Johnson, one of the greatest drivers and car owners in Nascar history.

    DW just said that it will take 3 cars to get around Tony and I don't believe that for a second.

    They just asked Harvick to make a prediction and he declined. What's so hard about making a prediction? I'll make one. I think Junior's going to win.*

    They just noted that Jeff is going with Tony. Well, who, exactly is Jeff Gordon supposed to go with when there's no hole up top for him to get behind Junior or Jimmie Johnson? His only choice was to go with Tony if he wanted to stay up front and fight for the win.

    Junior wins! Woohoo! :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

    How about that? First drive out with Hendrick and he gets a W. How about that driver? How about setting a record for most laps led in the Shootout?

    What a race.

    This excellent win brings me to the 2 things I want this year from driver #88.

    #1, I want my driver to be relevant on the track again. He hasn't been relevant on the track since 2004. While the Daytona 500 will be very difficult for me to watch because I care about it so much, it's a far better feeling than watching him putter around in the middle of the pack with a subpar car, sigh sadly, and wonder what he could do if he had a good car and team behind him.

    #2, I want him to shut his critics up. At the end of 2008, I want the only sound from Junior's critics to be the sweet sound of silence.

    *Before the last restart, I really did write that I thought Junior was going to win.
  2. padredurand

    padredurand Well-Known Member
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    Oct 25, 2004
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    Nice job, CCR. I always looked forward to these last year even though I rarely commented. We need to get you one of those firesuits with a BB logo....

    How about that 88 car? Speaking of cars... Jeff and Jimmy had short track cars after their primaries got wadded up in practice. A few twists of a wrench here and there and they went from back to front in a hurry. Maybe this COT is something special?
  3. PastorSBC1303

    PastorSBC1303 Active Member

    Aug 21, 2003
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    It was very strange to see.

    I hope Michael has a good season. I have always enjoyed him, and he has had some pretty funny commercials.

    Very good sign. Also I think it was a good thing to see Johnson pushing Jr. to the front at the end of the race, and also Jr saying that there was no way he wins without that. It seems like they are forming a good friendship and that can only be good. Johnson and Jr. also seemed to be having a good time together in victory lane. I didn't see Gordon there, did anyone else? I wonder what he thinks about all of this.

    I could not agree more!

    Thanks for the wrap-up ccr, I enjoyed reading it.

    Some thoughts I had:

    It seems the switch to Toyota is not going to hurt the Gibbs team, they look as strong as ever.

    The new car seems like it is going to be really fun to watch this year. Have the other teams been able to make any progress on Hendrick and Gibbs in this area?
  4. swaimj

    swaimj <img src=/swaimj.gif>

    Jul 20, 2000
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    I enjoyed watching the clash or whatever they call it now.

    Congrats to Jr on his win. DW says he'll probably win about 6 races this year. That sounds about right.

    The FOX crew is the best crew on TV right now. I really don't pay them much attention, so I guess they are not doing anything that grates. And DW said something nice about Richard Petty last night, something he rarely does so DW is on my good side right now!

    CC, I did notice that cars moving around and it seemed like much more than the old car did.

    Technology has advanced so much that it is simply impossible for cars at Daytona to run without restrictions. They would be so fast that drivers would be killed every year at Daytona and Talledega. Given that, and given that racing can never be what it once was at those tracks, NASCAR has done a masterful job of engineering a car that puts on a good show at those tracks. I think it allows the better drivers to come to the front. I'm looking forward to the Daytona 500. Should be a good race. I can think of several drivers who are favorites to win but predicting a single favorite is impossible.
  5. ccrobinson

    ccrobinson New Member

    Jan 12, 2005
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    I'm good with this. My avatar on Yahoo is a dude that looks somewhat like me (in that he's blonde and has blue eyes) in a firesuit. I think I'm holding a helmet too.

    I think it was Phoenix last year when Mike Joy commented that, with the new car, the smart teams are still the smart teams. That won't change with the new car.

    I think Toyota has, but I think it's a function of Joe Gibbs Racing more than anything else. I'm not sure what's going on with Roush. There has been speculation that Roush didn't think Nascar was serious about the new car, so they didn't do as much testing with it as Hendrick did. If true, that was a pretty dumb mistake on Roush's part.

    I'm going to try and watch Inside Nextel Cup Racing tonight and see what the drivers have to say about the new car compared to the old car. I'm hoping to find some time to get my hands on the Daytona 500 from last year and do a little research project about whether the old cars moved more or the new cars did.

    The new car let them open up the restrictor plate and has given the drivers some throttle control, and anything that gives individual drivers more control over the cars is a very good thing.

    Thanks for the comments, guys. If the Shootout is any kind of preview of this season, it's going to be fantastic.
  6. swaimj

    swaimj <img src=/swaimj.gif>

    Jul 20, 2000
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    I think Harvick said, during the broadcast, that the cars move around no more than before, it just looks like they do. I think a possible explanation is that the cars are riding on the "bump-stops" and this makes the camera jitter making the cars appear to be unstable.
  7. ccrobinson

    ccrobinson New Member

    Jan 12, 2005
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    I haven't had a chance to look at anything I might have of last year's races to compare it with this year and I probably won't at this point. I also missed Inside Nextel Cup Racing because of real world stuff, so I vote that we go with what Harvick said and be done with the question.

    If I haven't mentioned it lately, one of the best Nascar writers out there is David Poole. Here's a link to his latest blog where he talks about Nascar and their probation nonsense this week in regards to Busch and Stewart. He is, as usual, spot on.
  8. ccrobinson

    ccrobinson New Member

    Jan 12, 2005
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    Good news, friends. I just checked SpeedTV and they'll be showing the Duels tonight at 8. I should be able to provide race reviews.

    Also, there's still just enough time to get into our fantasy racing leagues. Send me a PM and I'll send you the information you need to join.