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Should a Christian get tattoos

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Theopolis, Feb 19, 2010.

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  1. Theopolis

    Theopolis New Member

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    But by far the Christian tattooers favorite excuse for disobeying Leviticus 19:28 is the "that means nor print any marks upon you – for the DEAD". It’s ok, as long it’s not for the dead". See the "for the dead!!! . .for the dead!!!!".

    Is it ok to practice satanic bloodletting, self mutilation or cutting of the flesh as long as it’s not for the dead? It’s in the same verse. . . Hmmm. . .?

    Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
    Leviticus 19:28

    Notice also, the phrase "for the dead" is ONLY referencing the "cuttings in your flesh". The condemnation of "nor print ANY marks upon you" is not qualified by the phrase "for the dead". Also, if you’ll notice the verse clearly says "ANY marks" period.

    Merrill F. Unger's, very popular and authoritative, Unger's Bible Dictionary under the definition for "Mark" includes the following reference for Leviticus 19:28:

    "In Lev. 19:28 we find two prohibitions of an unnatural disfigurement of the body: 'Ye shall not make any cutting in your flesh for the dead, nor any print any marks upon you.' The latter (Heb. qa aqa, incision) refers to tattooing, and has no reference to idolatrous usages, but was intended to inculcate upon the Israelietes a proper reverence for God's creation."
    (Merrill F. Unger, Unger's Bible Dictionary, 1974 ed., p. 696)

    Notice that Unger teaches that tattoos were forbidden without any reference to pagan, heathen, or idolatrous usages. In other words, the tattoo itself, regardless the reason, was forbidden. Amen. Brother Unger.

    Wycliffe’s Bible Encyclopedia under the definition for TATTOOING distinctly says:

    "While ‘cuttings in the flesh’ have reference here to mourning customs [for the dead], the tattooing does not appear to pertain to such practice."
    (Wycliffe Bible Encyclopedia, 1975 ed., p. 1664)

    The New American Commentary on Leviticus 19:28 writes the condemnation was for, "cutting the body either for the dead or with tattoo marks." (Mark F. Rooker, The New American Commentary on Leviticus, 2000 ed., p. 262) Explicitly recognizing the tattoo was not "for the dead."

    Do you see how dishonest and disobedient this "it doesn’t apply to my New-Testament-Christian-marked-for-Jesus-tattoo" is? Find what you don’t like in the Word of God, cut it out (doesn’t apply to New Testament Christians) or misapply (it’s just for the DEAD, when it’s clearly NOT). Same tactics used by the satanic cults and heretics for years. You can prove anything and everything with such deceitful methods.

    To read the entire article go to ....
    http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/bible.html
     
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  2. blackbird

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    Big difference between back of a bus and back of a garbage truck

    Big difference between hoseing down with a fire hose and hoseing down with a machine gun

    Big difference between Tear gas and the gas the nazi swine dropped into air vents with doors locked from the outside

    Big difference

    Big difference

    Big difference between passing a law "permitting" and a law forbidding such actions

    Big difference between condoneing the Sheriff and condemning the Sheriff

    Big difference

    Lets just praise the Lord Jesus----those days are past and pray it will never happen again---the way the white race treated the black and the way the German treated the Jew---------and folks---lets not get too strung out on the idea that those things only happend here in the United States and over in Germany-----you uncover a blanket and you will find fine Englishmen in on the same things listed!!!
     
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  3. menageriekeeper

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    You done went and got into my area of expertise. Just what does happen when you blend cotton and wool? I'll tell you what. You get a nice fabric for making dresses and suits. Follow the link:

    http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_items.aspx?TypId=639

    Cotton and linen? Follow the link:

    http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/search/search.aspx?source=searchbox&keywords=cotton/linen+blend

    We are NOT under the Law when it comes to such issues. New Testament Christians have two commandments to hold to when it comes to making these decisions. Love your God and love your neighbor.

    If having a tatoo means to YOU that you aren't loving God, then by all means refrain. "For unto him that believes it sin, to him it is a sin."

    But don't expect the entire body of Christ to agree with you. We all live in different places and are called to and from different lives.
     
    #63 menageriekeeper, Feb 20, 2010
  4. Jerome

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    "In our history, the local Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan was far too often a member in good standing of the local Southern Baptist church." —Russell Moore, An Exposition from the Faculty of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary on The Baptist Faith and Message 2000
     
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  5. Scarlett O.

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    Good morning, people.

    Here's my last post on this topic.

    Let me reiterate - I do not personally like tattoos. C'est la vie. But I do love all of you. I hate to see us scream at each other like this.

    Jesus Christ made the Law, in some respects, even HARDER. He said not only was physically murdering someone a sin, but hating someone was also murder. Not only is the physical act of adultery a sin, but so is fantasizing about it in your heart. Jesus Christ made the Law fulfilled. That means He was the only person who ever lived who completely obeyed it. And it's still a sin to murder and Jesus explained what that means to us.

    But let me ask one last question. And will someone please answer it. I will not argue this anymore.

    For those who are so vehemently opposed to tattoos because they believe that civil law in Leviticus 19:28 applies to New Testament Christians - would you mind answering this?

    (1) Do you have an untrimmed beard and sideburns? You should look like this if you are going to apply the civil Levitical law to New Testament Christians. And I'm not going for a laugh here. I'm serious. Do you wear your hair like this?

    (2) Do you stand up every single time without fail when an elderly person enters the room?​

    (3) Do you wear clothes of mixed fabric?​
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    violation of Leviticus 19:19​

    (4) Do you plant a variety of vegetables in your gardens? You're not supposed to.​
    [​IMG]
    violation of Leviticus 19:19​


    I believe that the 10 commandments (except for the Sabbath Law - Jesus is our Sabbath Rest, today) still stand. I keep them on my wall at school. I believe what Jesus taught about the 10 commandments and their moral applications of the HEART.​

    But I do not understand how those who cling to the letter of the civil code of the nation of Israel being binding on Christians today and they DO NOT practice the entirety of it. Do you stone your teenaged sons when they are rebellious? Do you burn to death your daughters if they are immoral?

    That's my question. How do you pick and choose what you will obey and what you will ignore?​

    Whew! My last word. (Aren't you glad?)​
     
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  6. Revmitchell

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    Nice way to rip a quote out of context and even present it as the whole quote.


    http://www.baptist2baptist.org/b2barticle.asp?ID=258
     
    #66 Revmitchell, Feb 20, 2010
  7. Amy.G

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    Thank you Scarlett. I don't see how anyone could argue against this post. But if they do, I suggest we stone them. :D
     
    #67 Amy.G, Feb 20, 2010
  8. Theopolis

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    For me personally if it was practiced solely by pagans, I will try to avoid it as best I can.
     
    #68 Theopolis, Feb 20, 2010
  9. Jon-Marc

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    I don't have any, don't want any and see no need for any. We had a man in church one time sitting right in front of me in shorts and a short sleeved shirt who was so covered with tattoos that I had all I could do not to stare at them. His arms and legs were covered with them. I usually sit in the third row from the front, and so he was in the second row from the front--apparently to be sure that he was noticed.

    An obscure atattoo that no one can see when you're fully dressed is one thing, but being covered head to toe with them is ridiculous.
     
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  10. Scarlett O.

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    Thank you, brother - You gave a simple, yet well-reasoned answer. :thumbsup:

    Now if I could get answer to my question from those who believe the civil code of the Levitical Law applies to New Testament Christians.
     
    #70 Scarlett O., Feb 20, 2010
  11. Robert Snow

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    JohnDeerFan, when you see a woman with a tattoo do you tell her she is a tramp? You see, it's easy to make a fool of yourself on the Internet, I just wondered if you are also foolish enough to do it in person.
     
    #71 Robert Snow, Feb 20, 2010
  12. paul wassona

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    Those are ceremonial laws not moral law.


    Tattoos are placed on the BODY as a form of BODY worship. If this weren't true, then why are they not on the bottoms of your feet?:smilewinkgrin:
     
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  13. Scarlett O.

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    Try again please. :flower::flower:
     
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  14. paul wassona

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    New Testament Christians have the "two" given by Jesus which encompass all the other together.

    The part about loving God covers all the commandments about man towards God. The other one about loving man covers all the ones about man towards man.


    Is it your thinking that some one doesn't know this already so they might think the O.T. moral laws don't apply?
     
    #74 paul wassona, Feb 20, 2010
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    Tattoqs are a form of body worship.
     
    #75 paul wassona, Feb 20, 2010
  16. NiteShift

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    Maybe you can explain for us which laws were merely civil codes and which were actually commandments. I'm not really being argumentative here, after all, to the Jews the Law was the Law period.

    But even Paul and Peter had disagreements about keeping kosher, and he scolded others for insisting on circumcision. At the same time Paul strongly opposed sexual sin in the church, based on Mosaic law. If the New Testament saints weren't quite sure what applied to them, maybe you can forgive modern day Christians if they can't agree with you on all particulars. :)
     
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  17. paul wassona

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    The mixing of fabrics was not the intertwining of fibers like many fabrics are made of today.
     
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    Nope... wrong again...
     
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  19. Alive in Christ

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    I have always thought tatoos like trashy on everyone.

    Men, women, young, old, black, white, hispanic, asian, rich, poor, lots of tatoos, one tatoo, etc etc.

    I just cant in my wildest dreams comprehend how ANY human being can want one.

    Thats just my personal feeling about it.

    From a scriptural point of view, I would have to say we have liberty as long as we arent doing it as a form or worship, wich seems to be Gods specific OT prohibition.


    I still think they all look trashy, though.
     
    #79 Alive in Christ, Feb 20, 2010
  20. Scarlett O.

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    I'm quite familiar with the butting of heads between Peter, Paul, and James (et.al). And I will admit that I can be a head-butter myself. :laugh:

    To me, if the law involved slaughtering animals, circumcision, or washing, it was ceremonial. Jesus Christ's dying on the cross took care of that for New Testament Christians.

    If it involved peculiar things like not mixing fabrics or not cutting one's body or keeping blue tassels on one's clothes or keeping a certain hairstyle - for the sake of making the Israelites a separate and distinct people - not identifiable with any other nation on earth - that is civil.

    Moral law (which you are correct, the Jews considered it all moral and so do some New Testament Christians) was and is applicable to all nations before, during, and after the rule of the Law.

    The reason why other nations were so abhorant to God was because they were practicing sodomy, murder, fornication, adultery, idolatry and so forth. And God was angry with them - before the Law.

    That's why Cain was punished. Murder was evil before the Law. It's why the world was flooded before the Law. The Bible says the heart of mankind was continually thinking on evil.

    Joseph's brothers were jealous of him before the Law. That was a sin. Potiphar's wife tried to seduce him before the Law. Adultery was a sin before the Law. God was going to punish a king and his entire family because he took Abram's wife, Sarai, for his own - even though he didn't know she was already married.

    Adam and Eve found out what good and evil was in the Garden - long before the Law.

    This is moral law to me. It was binding on humanity from Adam and Eve and is still binding today. Jesus spoke of alot of this at the Sermon on the Mount.

    Am I right? Maybe.

    Am I dogmatic? No, not at all.

    Am I bullheaded about it? One might say so. :laugh:
     
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