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Nobody said don't tell them what they are being saved from. But how many people do you know whose only sin is aborting a baby?

Preach the Gospel that leads to salvation from ALL of their sin.

The church is so worldly and unChristlike because it's become filled with a bunch of folks whose love has waxed because they've forgotten the sin from which Christ saved them.

 

I am sorry but this post is just sick. I am disgusted at the lack of concern for the unborn children being slaughtered. Abortion is not on the same level as fornication.

 

You know he is just a young kid who does not seem to understand the reality of some things.

 

FWIW, IMHO I believe that there's enough "blame" within the ranks of both political parties when it comes to trying to figure out "Who's the most responsible for the continued murder of our unborn children."

Most of the US Supreme Court justices who played a significant role in the deliberations of the 1973 Roe v. Wade case were appointed and confirmed by supposedly relatively "moderate" [Whatever that means!] political figures from both parties.

If memory serves me correctly, it was Justice Harry Blackmun [a Nixon appointee] who actually wrote the legal decision that some how came to the conclusion that the courts could not interfere with a woman's so-called "Right to Privacy" [Whatever that is!] if she so chose to murder the unborn child who happened to be residing in her womb.

None of the Presidential administrations (both Democrat AND Republican!) that followed this shameful SCOTUS decision did very little--or, in most cases, NOTHING AT ALL, to put an end to this national tragedy.

While some Presidents may have given rather reluctant "lip service" to encourage the "Pro-Life" elements within their respective parties, when it came right down to it, most of the time they simply ignored the "Pro-Lifers'" pleas for real action to actually put a lasting stop the killing of our nation's unborn infants.

One might recall that, prior to the 2012 Republican Party's primary elections in January of that year, presumed "front-runner" former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney had been very openly "Pro-Choice" until he realized that most of the voters who chose to participate in his party's primaries and/or caucuses were "Pro-Life."

With that in mind, all of the sudden (out of the clear blue sky), Romney declares that he's now "Pro-Life"!

Whether or not Romney really did have "a permanent change of heart" on this issue is something that a lot of folks still question.

Some rather skeptical pundits tried to corner him with the fact that he never distanced himself from his own so-called "Romney-Care" that he had not only personally conceived, but also "ram-rodded" through the heavily-ultra-liberal-Democrat-controlled Massachusetts State Assembly.

Then, too, Romney remained very vocal in supporting several of "The Bay State's" political candidates (of BOTH parties, mind you!) who were very open advocates of "Abortion On Demand"!

Of course, to no one's surprise, most all of the recent Democrat national-level office holders are avowed members of the Washington (DC) Beltway's "Pro-Choice[?] Political Caucus."

With our current "Dictator-In-Chief's" extreme left-wing socialist administration in place, you know that there's nothing going to be done to put a stop to our nation's disgraceful and inhuman murder of its unborn infants!

Moreover, sad to say, there are very few "promising" GOP Presidential "hopefuls" who seem to place much of an emphasis on trying to permanently stop killing our nation's future generations either.

One could wish that the outlook for the permanent ending of abortion in the USA in the near future would not be as bleak as it seems to be, but I, for one, seriously doubt that it will turn out the way that most of us here who post on "BB Land's" forums wish it would be so. :tear::tear:

 

So what? Appointing someone does not leave you at fault. That is an odd logic.

And the Republicans have worked very hard and have been quite successful at limiting abortion across the country.

 

The slaughter of unborn children should be at the top of the list!

Refusal to defend the Defense of Marriage Act is another.

Obama evolving to the elevated level where he now supports the marriage of homosexual perverts is another

 

Revmitchell:

....And your political solution to permanently end any and all forms of abortion at the national level would be .....???

Maybe where you happen to call home there might possibly be some rather limited examples of where abortion was made relatively less available, but that, IMHO at least, doesn't appear to be the trend at the national level for the foreseeable future.

Although, my brother and friend, I wish it were not the case, I, sadly, stand by what I've written in my above post on this thread.

 

They are forcing Roman Catholic groups to fund contraceptives including the those that induce abortion!

 

Crabbie why do you continue to lie. No one believes you! You support the party of death and the continued slaughter of the unborn child.

I would also point out that it is the Republican party which is trying to save medicare and Social Security from bankruptcy while the "party of death" is trying to spend the country into bankruptcy.

Actually in 2007 I began to predict that Obama would destroy the economy and the country. We are now in the 5th year of the Obama Depression. By the time he gets kicked out we will be in the seventh year of the Obama Depression the same as that of FDR!

I did not derail the thread Crabbie but I believe it is unChristian and unAmerican to slaughter the unborn child.

I do agree with you on one thing you posted earlier. I do not think the American flag should be placed in the Church Worship center. In fact I don't think any banners should be in the Worship center.

 

Then you need to keep up with the news because it is more than a trend. Abortion clinics are closing down all over the country.


http://www.christianitytoday.com/gl...-closing-planned-parenthood-abby-johnson.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/abortion-clinic-closures_n_3804529.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/abortion-clinic-closures_n_3804529.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...aper+(Nation/Politics+-+The+Washington+Times)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...t-record-pace-after-states-tighten-rules.html

 

The following is from an unlikely source but the facts presented refute your argument!

The following is long but again it is from an unlikely source and refutes your previous argument!

 

Continued from previous post!

 

I am sorry but I stand by what I wrote. The church is unChristlike because the Gospel has been consistently watered down to where it is essentially "Jesus saves you to give you a better life". This mentality has essentially led to unsaved people filling the churches and determining the direction they go in. Which leads to more false converts flooding the church and a continuation of the cycle. The only way to stop that cycle is to confront sin with the true Gospel. Do I believe that abortion or the other sin that we aren't supposed to talk about on open forums are the only sins people commit? No, of course not that is foolish. The reality is however that we are seeing a steady progression of the church compromising on sin after sin because of the ongoing flood of false converts determining the churches view of right and wrong. Think about that for a minute, unsaved people determining what is right and wrong in the church. The two above mentioned issues are simply the most recent in the progression. The church has already accepted (church is used generally here) compromise in many other areas. The logic seems to be to just get them to come to church, don't offend them and hopefully the gospel (read Jesus loves them) will win them over. The problem is they don't doubt for a minute that God loves them. After all God loves everyone and everyone is going to Heaven. I submit that the gospel (little g on purpose) is very lovingly and kindly sending thousands to Hell! What needs to happen is the Gospel (capital G) needs to be preached, sin needs to be called sin and not in some vague, fuzzy "sin is anything that displeased God" way but in a direct manner laying open the hearts of men and women and pouring in the truth of Gods Word and letting it come into direct confrontation with their sin. Then and only then will the church regain a vestige of Godliness! Until then, expect the church to act like the world. Sometimes simply saying "everyone sins" is not enough, sometimes sin must be called out by name and exposed for the evil it is! Paul says basically this in Romans 7:7 " ....I would not have known what coveting (sin) was except the law said you shall not covet".

 

So you are pro-life for the unborn. But still you refuse to be pro-life for the living, the elderly, the ill, those in poverty. In fact you support the party that has worked to make things harder on these living folk.

I suppose you will continue to derail threads.

 

You'll be okay. You see what you want to see because ain't nobody expressed a lack of concern for unborn children. It just isn't supposed to be the holy grail of sin that you and others have made it into as though no other sins matter.

Abortion is on the exact same level as fornication.

 

Again a bunch of foolishness. Because politics is primary in some of yall's lives does not trump God's word.

As a Christian, at the top of your list should be what GOD placed there. And HE didn't commission us to place a focus on abortion and homosexuality before His Commission to Go and share the Gospel that saves.

 

I agree wholeheartedly. But part of that watering down of the Gospel is preaching to folks about ONE sin. That ain't the Gospel at all.

When yall can present to me one person who has only one sin that needs to be forgiven, then there would be a point to be made.

But every person in existence, to be saved,needs to be forgiven of ALL his sins. SO folks in the church need to get off this ego trip about confronting one sin.

Are we trying to win an argument or see folks come to faith in Christ?

Is that any worse than folks who should know better preaching to folks about ONE sin as though that's all that needs to be forgiven?

Au contraire. Frankly they don't have any business at the church unless the church is doing an evangelistic outreach, IMO. The Church is supposed to be for the Body of Believers to be equipped to go out and share the Gospel.

Again, I agree. But the GOSPEL has to be preached. And the GOSPEL addresses ALL of a person's sin, not just abortion or the homosexual offense.

 

And right here is why so many in the church lack a leg to stand on MORALLY when it comes to abortion. Because as CBT says, so many "within the church" try to feign such care for the unborn while harboring an evident disdain for those who have already been born.

Focusing on one sin will always come across as condemning. And Jesus didn't come to see anybody condemned.

 

I am unalterably opposed to the murder of the unborn child. You crabtownboy support the continued slaughter of the unborn child. May God have mercy on your soul.

Being one of the elderly whose health is suspect I am most certainly pro life for the elderly and the ill! I am also disposed to help those who are poor and unable to work.

That being said I favor capital punishment for those guilty of certain murders. Gosnel of Philadelphia falls in that category. I also favor the death penalty for those guilty of treason.

When it comes to the government stealing money from those who work and doling it out to those too lazy to work that is a different story. I simply appeal to Scripture, something you seem to shy away from crabtownboy.

2 Thessalonians 3:10. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

1 Timothy 5:8. But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Now crabtownboy if you want to help those too lazy to work I am certain that the Federal Government would be happy if you would simply double the income tax you pay!

I am happy to support the party who wants the citizens to live by Biblical principles, work hard, help the poor unable to work, fight to overturn abortion, support the Biblical concept of marriage and family, fight to maintain the security of this country both fiscally and militarily.

Certainly you know that you support the "party of death" who celebrated the slaughter of the unborn child at its 2012 convention. Certainly you know that you support the party that is working to destroy the family, supports marriage of homosexual perverts, believes it takes a village to raise a child, not a mother and father. Certainly you know you support the party that has worked incessantly to destroy the moral fabric of this country, aided and abetted through the trash put out by the leftist hollywood crowd.

I am always ready to point out the horror of abortion which you and the "party of Death" support so vigorously.

 

Are you like crabtownboy in that you support the party of death, the democrat party and its abortionist-in-chief Obama. You spend all your time in judgment of those on this Forum who disagree with your endless pious ramblings about preaching the gospel but I have yet to see one word from you condemning the party of death, the slaughter of the unborn child, or Obama!