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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by robycop3, May 25, 2014.

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  1. RLBosley

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    The grand poobah of fundamentalism himself - Jack Hyles.

     
  2. Jordan Kurecki

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    Jack Hyles is an extreme form of KJO, definately not representative of the views of most of those holding to KJO.
     
  3. Jordan Kurecki

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    Actually no it's not:

    Strong:

    G976
    βίβλος
    biblos
    bib'-los
    Properly the inner bark of the papyrus plant, that is, (by implication) a sheet or scroll of writing: - book.

    Thayer:
    βίβλος
    biblos
    Thayer Definition:
    1) a written book, a roll, a scroll
    Part of Speech: noun neuter
    A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: primitive root
    Citing in TDNT: 1:615, 106


    Even the Wescott and Hort critical text has Biblos (book)
     
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    To my knowledge this is correct.
     
  5. Jordan Kurecki

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    How many times do we have to go back and forth on these?

    You are so ignorant of the usage of the word Easter in the King James, Easter is simply a Christian synonym for Passover in the 1611 English, that's why Tyndale translated a verse as Christ our Easter Lamb instead of Passover Lamb.

    It's not an error in translation, it's simply an error in your understanding.
    Either Passover or Easter were both acceptable translations of the word back then.

    Look at the context of 1 Tim 6:10..it's about false teachers.... who love money, he's saying the Love of money is the root of all evil from these false teachers.

    Let's talk about how your modern versions remove many references to fasting, Let's talk about how references to the blood of Christ are removed, and let's talk about how references to the Deity of Christ are made obscure.
     
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    I didn't say he wasn't extreme. The request was for a legitimate quotation of KJVO preacher who said you cannot be saved if the KJV wasn't used. Of course that's extreme.
     
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    nonsense. The "modern versions" are significantly stronger in many places regarding the deity of Christ. The KJV is weaker in this area.
     
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    We need a "facepalm" smiley.....
     
  9. robycop3

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    Well, there's a 2003 thread in the archives called "Rev. 22:19: Book of Life or tree of Life?" started by rabid KJVO Mr. Will Kinney, and answered most resoundingly by Archangel7. It answers why many lexicons have "book" & others have "tree".
     
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    As often as some KJVO insists "Easter" is correct.

    No, not a bit. Easter meant the same to the AV makers as it does to us. They considered Easter to be one of the two holiest days of the year. (along with Christmas.) Thus, they placed an "Easter-Finder" in the AV 1611. And yes, I'm fully aware that at one time passover & Easter were used interchangeably in English, and the OED gives one use of Easter to be passover....and I'm also aware they were NOT synonymous to LUKE when he wrote the latter that became the Book of Acts, as Easter didn't then exist. The translation is supposed to reflect LUKE'S written thoughts, not a translator's religious beliefs.

    As I said above, the AV men definitely separated Easter from passover. They included an "Easter-Finder' in the AV 1611, not a "Passover-Finder". Tyndale lived some 80 years before the KJV was made, and the language had changed during that time.

    Not in LUKE'S time, nor in 1611. Luke was clearly referring to PASSOVER, as Acts 12:3 confirms. Now, if the AV had rendered "pascha" as Easter EVERY TIME, there would be no argument & it'd simply be attributed to archaic English, but that ONE-TIME usage was a goof. Logos 1560 has posted some info as to how this goof got into the AV.

    MMRRPP ! WRONG !

    It simply sez in the KJV that "the love of money is THE root of ALL evil". Clearly, that's incorrect. Did Lanza shoot up that elementary school & kill himself for lova $$?

    Actually, many newer versions are STRONGER about the Deity of Jesus in many places, as well as the Deity of the Holy Spirit. You said you don't use any version but the KJV and it SHOWS by your making such an incorrect assertion.

    As for fasting...Older usages of the word included not eating for awhile for any reason, not just for worship purposes. Also, there are simple wording differences between the manuscripts used to make various translations.

    How about discussing the FACT that the KJVO myth has absolutely NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT, and the FACT that the KJVO myth is derived from a CULT OFFICIAL'S book by two dishonest authors? Or, will you be as most KJVOs are, avoiding those FACTS like a dose of plague?
     
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    I am still wondering how the KJVO can claim hat Nasb/Niv water down the text, when BOTH of them actually highlight the Deity of Jesus even more so then the Kjv did!
     
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    Because they don't actually read the NASB and NIV. They just believe the hype against those and other modern versions.
     
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    What is really sad is that they make it either/or for Kjv and the MV, while it should be both are acceptable as being in English the word of the Lord to us!
     
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    I think all true Baptists believe only those doctrines of worship found in Scripture, either directly or by clear implication, E. G. the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. The KJVO myth isn't found in Scripture whatsoever, not even in the KJV itself.

    While KJVO itself isn't a cult in the sense we use that word, mucho activity done in the name of KJVO can be considered cultic behavior.
     
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    Ignorance. They simply don't know. Also they've been lied to repeatedly by those they trust and believe are authorities on the subject.
     
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    Bottom or any line: "YES!"
     
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