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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Salty, Jan 6, 2022.

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  1. Salty

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    From another thread?

    I do care who goes to Hell!

    What does the Bible say about this

    9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance (2Pe 3.9).v/x

    3 [It] is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, [that we pray for all men] 4 [because He] desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth (1Ti 2.3, 4).
     
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    I care deeply who goes to hell! I believe in prayer for the lost - specific people. And persistent prayer.
     
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    What I am surprised at is how a "Baptist Board" allows such hatred to be expressed and the post not deleted.
     
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    I just edited the post.
     
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    We are commissioned to preach reconciliation with God to all people. This means we are to care deeply about peoples rebellion and their need to be reconciled.

    Hebrews 4:1-3,6-7

    God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world.

    So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.”
     
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    Back in the mid-19th Century, a young man named John Paton read an article on the subject of the islands of the New Hebrides (Vanuatu today). In it, the author told how the inhabitants were cannibals, constantly at war with one another, totally immoral in the sexual ethics, killing and eating missionaries that came to them. The author held that these savages were beyond redemption and recommended that they should be killed off and others moved in to colonize the islands.

    Paton was deeply moved. He considered Romans 1:16 which says that the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation, and decided that if the Bible was true, the Gospel was the power of God for the salvation of the New Hebrideans.

    When he announced his intentions to his church, and elderly gentleman cried out, "Mr Paton, you will surely be eaten by cannibals!" Paton replied, "Sir, you are very old, and your future destiny is to be eaten by worms. If I can do God's will by bringing the Gospel to the New Hebrides, it matters little to me if I am eaten by worms or cannibals, and my body will rise as bright and fair as yours on the Last Day."

    Paton went to the New Hebrides and after many years and pretty extreme sufferings, the natives were converted. When he died, the islanders put up a memorial to him. It said, "When he came there was no light; when he left, there was no darkness." I don't know if it is still these today.

    Should we care as to who goes to hell? John Paton cared, and so should we.
     
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    I will just be a High Calvinist on that issue.
    See how that works?
     
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    Hell is a very real place of eternal torment and separation from God forever and ever amen

    how can we not care?

    I would almost bet that we all have lost friends and family members who seemingly will wind up there
     
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    hy·per·bo·le
    /hīˈpərbəlē/
    noun: hyperbole; plural noun: hyperboles
    exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.​

    • Do people in Hell actually "suck eggs"?
    • Is it likely that people in Hell suck eggs?
    • Should we care about "egg sucking" in Hell?
    • Am I supposed to pray for God to provide more eggs for them to suck (to quench their parched tongue) or fewer eggs (because sucking raw eggs is slimy and disgusting)?
    Is it more likely that the quoted post engaged in hyperbole to express a strong disagreement with the policies of the NFL organization?

    What have those "appalled" at the remark in the quoted post actually DONE about the eternal destiny of those in the NFL? Anything? Then what difference has your reaction made?
     
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    Convenient EXCUSE!
     
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    Because we want to hit the issue head on!
     
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    1. I am not aware of anyone kneeling in the NFL anymore when the national anthem is played.
    2. I thought those people who took such umbrage at kneeling also claim to believe, by and large, in individual liberty. Maybe I was wrong to think that they did so. Or maybe they only believe in individual liberty for them and their kind.
    3. The NFL is a human sports organization. Organizations, as a whole, do not go to Hell. The only organization, as such, that has an eternal destiny is the Lord's church and only He knows who composes that group, God's elect, the sheep for whom Christ died.
     
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    that could be the reason that the NFL is not allowing the networks to brodcast the National anthem (w/ notable execptios - ie Army navy game) but kneeling was the OP on the other thread - lets stay on subject on this thread)
     
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    Showing the national anthem being played is a rather recent thing. I think it corresponded with the military joining with the NFL for recruitment advertising purposes.

    Also, the NFL has nothing to do with the Army-Navy game. That is a college game.
     
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    Also, I am quite certain if anyone was still kneeling at NFL games that right-wing media would be broadcasting far and wide that it was happening. There are actual people at the games and those people have friends that they talk to, and I doubt that only liberals attend NFL games.
     
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    Nope
    The High Calvinists have been the undaunted missionaries of Martin's post. You are presenting a low view that may come from hyper Calvinists who ignore the roles and responsibilities commanded by the King, purely because they do not love their neighbor as themselves.
     
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    High Calvinism is very evangelistic. They do not mourn the lost because It was God's choice and God's will was done. Just typical of how some on this board jump to conclusions, you in particular.
     
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    I know the NFL has nothing to do with the College games. --- and playing the national anthem has been going on for decades. Actually it started during WW I.

    Here's Why We Sing The National Anthem At Sporting Events

    and with this - lets get back on the OP for this thread -----
    ie - do we care if people go to Hell!
     
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    Of course the mourn those who die in sin, just as you mourn the death of your loved ones.
    Death is an enemy and a curse. One day God will destroy death and we will all rejoice.
    God does not rejoice over the death of those he justly condemns to hell.

    atpollard is correct. You were being hyperbolic in your comment from another thread. We all have done so at times. I understood what you were saying so no worries there.
    You simply don't grasp Reformed theology very well and now you arr doubling down on your ignorance.
     
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    It's only while they are in this world that any mouring for the unbeliever would be a righteous sentiment, and then only for those who were not God's enemies in deed. The deaths of the oppressive and murderous are indeed cause for the righteous to celebrate.

    In eternity, the Redeemed will rejoice in the justice of God and wash their feet in the blood of all the wicked.
     
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