Should we really pledge our allegiance...

"As God is my witness" is not an oath?

You're right, no one has to recite a pledge.

Yes well you said earlier in the thread that you were thinking of dual citizenship, US/Ireland. No one here is going to defend the Supreme Court decision on abortion. It seems to me that if that country where you now reside reflects morality in ways superior to the US and you are happy with the decision then go for it.

 

True. Just as one can take solemn vows of matrimony and be a lousy spouse. But we still do it.

And yet you have tried for 9 pages to convince others that they shouldn't do it! ("Should WE really..." etc)

And I hope you are as big a pain in the yazoo to them as you are to us.
Heyyy! I kid you!!

 

Hmmmm...Interesting. Judge others often?

 

Pretty hard not to judge when the sacrifices of so many are met with indifference by those who benefit.

 

Yes, I can and do say the pledge of allegiance.

I said it in school decades before the Roe v. Wade decision.

The present judicial branch has poisoned the stream of the freedoms guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, the right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

The present administration(s) since Roe v. Wade has poisoned the hearts and minds of the American citizenry into believing infanticide is a legal "choice".

When I say the pedge it is about the America I knew as a boy whose flag, Constitution and peoples I protected as a veteran.

When I pledge to the flag, I also pledge in my heart to do all that I legally can by prayer, ballot, redress of grievance, giving of my time and resource to return my beloved country to those pure ideals of LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of hapiness granted by our Creator as proclaimed by our founding fathers.

When I pledge to the flag, I also petition my Creator to bless her once again with repentance and an abundant measure of His righteousness.


HankD

 

This is a question that I have been struggling with of late. I for one think that as long as we still have a voice to speak against abortion we still have hope for changing things then allegiance is still warranted. However, God's anger will not be bridled by our voices whether silenced or not. When He brings judgment it will be far worse than this nation has ever witnessed. God judges nations that mistreats it's innocent citizens and He has done it before to this nation (circa; 1860-1865).

Mel

 

Amen :wavey:

 

But serving one's country, paying taxes, and volunteering many hours over the last 20 years with the USO I would think speaks louder than words.

Maybe there are different ways of showing patriotism.

 

I agree that there are different ways to show one's patriotism. Still, the objection to taking the Pledge of Allegiance is beyond me.

If you have served your country and volunteered with the USO, I commend you. Paying taxes is another story, since there is little option.

 

Lol....maybe I should have wrote that as I have never knowingly cheated on my taxes!!!

 

...Though tempting as it may be.:smilewinkgrin:

You have a good evening, sir.

 

Yes, but that is not the case.

However if it were the case - then, just as now, this presiding body of government does not represent the republican form of government "of the people, by the people, for the people" founded by the formers of the Constitution guaranteeing the right to LIFE, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness to whom I pledge my allegiance.

I make a distinction between my country and the presiding government.

My country still retains "under God" in the pledge, many in the present form of government want it removed because in reproves/convicts them of their sin.

Our pristine government is/was supposed to be of the people, by the people, for the people, but has indeed nearly perished from the face of the earth.

This government is not my government but America remains my country.

However, I intend to obey all the laws of this government apart from legalized murder.

The Supreme Court (Rowe v. Wade) did not interpret the law but violated the law, they changed it to include infanticide and forced it upon "we the people" without the consent of the governed.

That is why I qualified my statements in my previous post and do what I can to pray/vote those reponsible for the inception and maintenance of this government out of office before it evolves into a totalitarian government.

Your example of child-killing is not as far fetched as some may think.
As I already stated, another form of murder is allowed by this government on the other side of the age spectrum.

There is legalized euthanasia allowed by this government in the states of Washington ("Death with dignity") and Oregon ("Assisted Suicide").

I still intend to pledge my allegiance to that government of "we the people" endowed with certain unalienable (Not to be separated, given away, or taken away) rights "by their Creator" to the day I depart planet earth.

When "Old Glory" is changed to the flag of the one-world government then know that that government has been completely overthrown.

HankD

 

It legalized killing men and women by hanging, electric chair, gas and now a needle for many, many years. It made segregation legal for many years, leading up to killings, yet through all these years Americans called on that same constitution and voted......We go to war and kill innocent men, women and yes, even children,,and still vote for that country.........

Like calvinism, we endorse the bacics of that belief system, but deny much of what John Calvin stood for. So for a nation. We endorse the basic principles, but it doesn't mean we endorse every little jot or tittle. I pledged allegiance to the King and Queen of England, but that does not include allegiance to the Church of England, which she officially represents.

We practice abortion to save a mother, if the need should arise, and we don't label the parties as killers! Anti-abortion in Ireland I essentially a Catholic belief system, yet that country endorsed killing people in Northern Ireland and England until recent years.

It has not been clearly determined when that "blob" (for lack of medical terminology) becomes a living soul..5 months to actual birth...

I am not supporting the rate of abortion these days, but will adhere to my motto: Abortion if necessary, but not necessarily abortion.

Cheers,

Jim