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Should we use harsh biblical language?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by gekko, Jul 28, 2006.

  1. gekko

    gekko New Member

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    so you expect me to water down the scriptures just because someone is offended?

    i just dont like the sound of that. sure we can altogether not say the word at all. but to use a different word in place of it? i look at that as watering it down.

    haha. i just thought of this:

    using harsh words compared to softer words is like comparing American Iced Tea to Canadian Iced Tea.

    American Iced Tea is pratically water because its so watered down - and tastes rather disgusting. (sorry for you americans that like your iced tea)

    Canadian Iced Tea has got flavour bombs all over - it actually tastes like iced tea. there's sugar in there. etc. and its the real thing.

    (i apologize to you americans that drink iced tea that does actually taste like it.)
     
  2. paulsfocus

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    To use those words may be offencive. But if the shoe fits wear it. The sodomite's have nothing against being called gay because it's of none offencive.
    Should we not use those words to convict of sin? After all, the way to salvation is to know your a sinner. Right?
    I'm a street preacher, and honestly if your on the street preaching or passing out tracts it doesn't really matter what you say, people will get offended.
    Like in my earlier post 1 Cor. 1:18.
    That's why I used the verse in such a broad sence. (as long as you preach the Bible)
     
  3. Scarlett O.

    Scarlett O. Moderator
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    Gekko, I don't know what you are talking about when you say that changing "piss" to "urine" waters down the scripture or the message.

    This thread is quickly going to a place I do not care to be....KJO vs nonKJO. I ain't sticking around for that.

    I avoid those conversations like the plague.
     
  4. gekko

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    haha. i understand.

    I personally use the KJV... cause i've lived with it my whole life and quite frankly its the easiest to understand - easier then any paraphrase - easier then any other version out there..

    for me anyways.

    but if people want to use other versions - go for it.
    i just warn that there are some parts that are watered down.
    that's all.

    :)
     
  5. HankD

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    Of course not but wherever possible obey the Scripture and be non-offensive.

    1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

    2 Timothy 2:22
    24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
    25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
    26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

    Obviuosly we should not be sacrificing the essentials of the Gospel.

    But this thread is not about the essentials of the Gospel.

    How in the world is using the word "urine" for a word which was not vulgar in the 17th century (but vulgar now) "watering down" (pardon the pun?)the Scripture. In fact, the vulgar KJV form of the word for "urine" is indeed "water" in the Hebrew in 2 places.

    The Gospel is offensive enough to this world, why make it any more so when the Scripture itself says in so many words not to be a boor but to be gentle and as non-offensive as possible.

    We need to have a balance between what is orthodoxy and/or false piety of "taking a stand" for vulgarities (in modern English) of the KJV.

    I think a good example of one who was a firm but gentle-souled man who has gone on to glory was Adrian Rogers (though we may not agree with him 100% in all things).

    HankD​
     
  6. Trotter

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    Amen, Hank.

    There's enough "shock jocks" out there... preachers and Christians shouldn't add to the number.

    Words change over time. Old meanings die out, and new meanings affix themselves in their stead. What once was inoffensive can become very offensive, and vice versa. Our words must be seasoned with salt, but if our words are heard as being vulgar our witness is destroyed.

    Best advice is to think before you speak... we don't have to talk like trash for our message to be heard.
     
  7. gekko

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    the term "adulterer" can be offensive.

    the term "liar" can be offensive.

    yet its language the bible uses. you expect me to throw out that vocab when i evangelize?

    not going to happen.

    I will speak the truth in love - and pray God that I will not be speaking in a judgmental tone.
     
  8. Scarlett O.

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    Gekko, you are waaayy out there on the end of this stick.

    The words "liar" and "adulterer" and "sodomite" are not profanity. And the word "whore" is only offensive when you are calling a woman that as a means of insulting her.

    If a child in my classroom said some of these words in a proper context such as:
    • "You are a liar even if you leave out part of the truth."
    • "That man, Kobe Bryant, is an adulterer."
    • "Can sodomites adopt children?
    Well, I may not want to have a conversation with a student along these lines, but his speech would not be called into question.

    But if a child in my room came to me and said, "Teacher, I really need to go a take a piss.".....well, he may certainly go to the bathroom, but I am calling his parents to have them temper his speech and he won't say it again in my class.

    We are not a talking about words that people may not like to hear. We are talking about Old English words that are now offensive to people so much that they have been labeled "profanity".

    Not one person is talking about "filtering" God's Message out of God's Word except a few people on this thread. And you all are attaching the holiness of the Word of God to the individual King James words. And that is not biblical.
     
  9. kjv1611

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    Jonah 3:2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

    Matthew 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,

    Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

    Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

    Matthew 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

    Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

    Luke 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

    Luke 8:1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,

    Luke 9:6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

    Luke 11:32 The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

    Acts 8:4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.

    Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

    Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

    Acts 11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

    Acts 11:20 And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.

    Acts 15:35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.

    Acts 20:9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.

    Acts 20:25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

    Acts 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

    Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

    Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

    1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

    1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

    1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

    1 Corinthians 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

    2 Corinthians 1:18 But as God is true, our word toward you was not yea and nay.

    2 Corinthians 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ:

    2 Timothy 4:17 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

    Titus 1:3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;


    Colossians 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:



    2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

    Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

    food for our lives
     
  10. Gershom

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    C'mon, Sister....
     
  11. Gershom

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    If choosing other words would win the lost to Christ (or lead the saved closer to Him), then so be it.
     
  12. Bob Farnaby

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    Having just read through this thread it brings up a number of issues. Firstly I'll say i agree with what ScarletO has said.

    Now, the English used in our translations does vary with the translator, the english countries speak and read varies - American English is different to Australian English or South African English. Some words or phrases that are considered offensive or obcene in one country are acceptable in others. To me this points to the need for GOOD clear contemporary translations for the different communities.

    After that, using the best translation we can have, preach and read the whole word of God to teach and encourage people, keeping everything in its proper context. Never use , or misuse, words to abuse people.

    Regards
    Bob
     
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