Since we're there...

1. We could destroy the entire country and probably kill every man, woman, and child in the country, whether they be terrorists, innocent civilians, our own allies who are fighting alongside our troops. But then again, that would actually lend some creedence to the idiotic allegations of Michael Moore and the Kool Aid drinkers on the liberal left who believe that we are the cause of all the suffering in Iraq and that the people of Iraq were better off with the torture chambers of Saddam than they are now. That would lend creedence to the idiotic statements of liberals such as Senator (hicup) Kennedy who compared Abu Graib to the mass graves, rape rooms, and meat grinder torture chambers of Saddam (BTW, for those of you liberals who still don't get it, there is no comparison and you sound like anti-American idiots when you try to find such).

2. What is the hurry? Why are you so determined for us to either become butchers and war criminals like Saddam and Kerry, when we are making some progress there toward democracy (kids are attending schools again built by Americans, democratic elections are scheduled for January, etc...), or for us to run like cowards and leave the people of Iraq to suffer even worse than they have in the past like we did in 1991 and in Vietnam to the South Vietnemese? No, things are not perfect. But please point to a time when we went to war when things were just rosy after a year. This mess didn't grow to what it is overnight and it will not be corrected overnight. Things are getting better than the seditious liberals in this country would like for us to believe they are. They are trying to demoralize our military, their families, and our nation by telling us that the cause that our troops are fighting and dying for is not a just cause, that our troops are a bunch of thuggish war criminals, that we cannot win, and that our Commander in Cheif is a liar who tricked us into going to war for no good reason. They have even gone as far as to say that the Iraqi people were better off under Saddam and that we are in a quagmire. They are trying to create another Vietnam like Kerry did in the 70s. They are working against us in hopes that we will lose this war. Why would they do such a thing, you ask? Because they are seditious traitors and for political gain. Shame on the Democrats. Shame on the Liberal Traitors. These guys are a more dangerous enemy to this country than Al Quaeda.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Some people do have an imagination (and I am not talking about Uncle Harry).

 

Let's nuke the whole planet and be very careful that we do not miss Huston!!!

 

Lets face it. There will never be a democracy in the middle east. with the exception of Israel. Their religion is not conducive to a democratic way of life. There will be major civil war the moment we pull out all the troops.

 

Personally I'd just like my son out of there. He's been there since March. Already been combat wounded. And he's unsaved. It is only by God's mercy (and protection) that he is still alive. And I know it is God protecting him.

I see that whether we are there or not, there is likely to be no rest for those poor people. They were miserable before we came because Hussein was killing them himself. Now they have insurgents killing them. So they're getting killed no matter which way they go... by someone.

 

7,000 Yankees died in less than 40 mins. outside of Richmond during the Civil War. How many died in Viet Nam?

Nomad's Wife, our nephew was blown to bits a year ago just before Thanksgiving but lived a week. I was very concerned for Scott's salvation .... Our pastor told us and so has Blackbird shared how many are getting saved out on the field. I think you'll find you sent off a boy but he'll return home a man.

Diane

 

You're right. I suppose we should betray all those people who have been fighting alongside with us for their freedom and just kill them all. Hey guys, let's go nuke them and make sure every liberal can truthfully say that we Americans are truly war criminal worse than Saddam. I am sure that is the answer.

Then again, while all the seditious naysayers didn't think we could hand over sovereignty on time, we did so 2 days early. While all the seditious naysayers don't think that Iraq can have democratic elections, I will be looking for a retraction come January. Perhaps, I have more confidence in our military and their leaders than the seditious naysayers do because unlike them, I actually want them to win the war.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Personally, I would love to see all of them out of there. But, then again, I would rather have them fight the war over there than have it come here again. I guess I would prefer not to have America turn into another Israel that appeases the terrorists and makes bargains and peace treaties with them only to have them reject it outright and start another intifada and start killing our people here and possibly end up slaughtering my one year old son (pardon the selfishness, but I figured since you were discussing the fate of your son, perhaps I would discuss the fate of mine and say why I think we need to win this war).

As to the condition of the Iraqi people, I am happy to tell you, regardless of what the seditious liberals want you to believe, they are better off without Saddam and will be even better off once we win this war.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Amen Diane.

I have a friend who just returned from Bagdad a few weeks ago and he was talking about some experiences while there. He seemed to be a lot more optimistic about things than the liberals in the media are. He stated that he would not have traded the experience for anything and that the experience has made him a better husband, father and Christian. He certainly appreciates his country, his family, and everything he has a lot more.

Joseph Botwinick

 

And by this you mean what?

Total warfare - destroy the cities, industry, transport, oil, every troop, every tank, etc

Limited warfare - Vietnam, Lebanon, Iraq

What am I missing? </font>[/QUOTE]A few questions: At what point in the war did we bomb Japan and why? Who helped rebuild Japan?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Believe it or not, I empathize with all of the posts! Meaning I've thought the same things. But now, I really don't know what's the answer.

 

Why isn't this in the political or current events forum??

 

All together now, WHY did we invade Iraq?

1) Hussein had weapons of mass destruction,

2) Hussein had the means to produce WMD,

3) Iraq was closely involved in the planning, support, and carrying out of the 9/11 attacks,

4) Hussein was an imminent threat to America,

5) Iraq was harboring terrorists.

The correct answer? None of the above. We were lied to by our "commander-in-chief" and he diverted resources that were being rightfully used to fight terrorism to the invasion of Iraq.

As Kerry pointed out last night, there are 40 other countries that are closer to making WMD than Iraq and two, Iran and North Korea, that are dangerously close or already have them. Of course if Bush gets reelected, he'll invade them too probably resorting to the use of tactical nuclear weapons.

Bush is dangerous. He's under the control of Cheney, Rumsfield and Wolfowitz and they're even more dangerous. After Collin Powell quits there will be no voice of reason left and after Blair is defeated or withdraws we will have no real allies.

 

Well, not quite accurate.

1) The entire international community, including John Kerry, believed that Saddam Hussein had WMDs. Turns out, apparently, that Hussein is the one who lied. Bush, Blair, Kerry (yes even Kerry), 15 members of the UNSC, and a host of others acted in good faith that the intelligence was accurate. There was no way to know otherwise. Saddam had every opportunity to come clean and decided not to. He thought the international community would back down again. Turns out that only a few of them did.

2. Hussein did have the capacity to produce WMDs.

3. No one claimed that Iraq was closely involved in 9/11. However, the 9/11 commission and Britain's Butler report have both confirmed that Iraq and Al Qaeda did have ties, which is what Bush said.

4. Iraq did harbor terrorists. All of these insurgents are not outsiders. Additionally, they did give medical treatment to members of Al Qaeda.

The war in Iraq is not a diversion from the war on terror. It is a part of it. Iraq was a terror threat.

As for 40 other countries and their WMDs, the president should have pointed out last night that none of those 40 countries were under even one UN resolution, much less 17 UN resolutions.

JOhn Howard would be pleased and interested to know that he is not a real ally. As would Koizumi and the guy in Poland, as would the heads of the 30+ other nations that are involved in this process. Perhaps the greateet lie being told is that we did this unilaterally. We didn't. And it is a slap in the face of our allies for John Kerry to say what he says about them.