Sixty Days of Jail Time for Backyard Bible Study

It looks like the early church worshipped and praised Jesus from house to house in Acts, breaking bread, fellowshipping, worshipping while knowing the impending threat for preaching and following Jesus.

It also looks like todays believers would have a problem with this kind of thing going on, disrespect for neighbors aside. Sounds fitting according to todays 'Christianity'.

 

There are many sources but nothing definitive that is why I have used the words "seems" and "appears" and expressed my opinion that it should be heard in a higher court (heretofore disallowed) so that documents can be brought forward and a decision can be made as to who is being the most trustworthy.

I typed "Michael Salman Phoenix" in a google and came up with 4 million pages, I randomly checked through about 20 pages.

Here are a 4 you can wade through (one with links to other blurbs).

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/06/pastor_michael_salman_reports.php

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/related/to/Michael+Salman/

http://www.hcfaz.blogspot.com/

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctliveblog/archives/2012/06/_in_2011_the_ci.html


HankD

 

You ask..

Then when someone expresses their view that is contrary to yours, you resort to calling them a Communist.

Be honest...you were not seeking opinions, you were either seeking confirming opinions only, or trolling for a nonsensical attack opportunity.

 

LOL, Yeah I thought you were gonna say that you got arrested for being a nut and you were doing a bible study ina state pen for 60 days:smilewinkgrin:

 

FAL, you would get a little further if you toned it down.

I agree with you often but sometimes I just avoid the debate because you lack tact.

Look, I can empathize with Salman.

I've had weekly Bible studies in my home with 20-30 people attending but then again my neighbor(s) didn't complain.
I'm not really sure of that city's ordinances when I taught the studies.

Personally I am of the opinion (underline opinion) that the one person (allegedly) complaining about Salman is an atheist or has some other axe to grind and not really concerned about the zoning violation.

We all inadvertantly side with the antichrist on occassion especially when we turn on the TV (after all satan is prince of the power of the air) and linger on a channel wherein he is honored by the unrestrained breaking of the commandments.

But to brand your brother (directly or obliquely) with communism because his opinion sides with the city council of Pheonix to enforce the zoning ordinance is going too far (IMO).

Yes it's all leading up to the end of this age when there will be a falling away and lawlessness will abound when the "man of sin" will be revealed.

2 Timothy 2:24-26

HankD

 

Fifty people for Thanksgiving is one thing. Fifth people meeting weekly is quite a different thing.

A few questions:

1. What kind of congestion is that many cars going to make on the street?

2. Fifty people each week, would you like that next door to you with the accomping noise before and after the Bible study?

3. Was amplified music being played? I don't know.

Zoning is there for a purpose. If it is the law then he should abide by it until he gets it changed through legal channels. He refused and when you refuse to abide by the law you pay a price.

I wonder how many on the BB showing outrage claim to be law and order people? Seems to me they are showing a decided liberal bent on this issue.

 

That might be. I was thinking of what my street would be like if that many people showed up at one time. Actually I read several articles and did not see anything about cars or noise. If you have a link stating there were no cars on the street and that nothing could be seen or heard I would appreciate having the links so I can read the articles.

What about the fact that it was a zoning violation. Aren't you a law and order person. Why not have the zoning changed via legal means? The building he says is not a church sounds like a church:

Notice it says he did not abide by the legal codes and safety standards when he built or had the structure built.

Would you feel the same if it were 50 Moslems meeting weekly? Buddhists? Hindus?

 

It seems that to you, when someone disagree with anything you say scripturally, they are disagreeing with God. I suggest that your understanding of this situation is severely flawed.

If this pastor wants to pastor a church, he needs to obey the ordinances in his community. If not, move to a community that doesn't have such high standards.

 

Their faith demanded they disobey the civil law and become a bad testimony to the community they are supposedly serving?

 

At the moment I cannot watch any video. I am on a network that will not allow videos. What were they obeying? Not the legal code of the city.

 

You failed to answer my question ...
What if it were Moslems?
Hindus?
Buddhists?

Would you defend their right to violate zoning laws?

Are Christians exempt from zoning laws?

And, doesn't the description of the building describe a church ... a pulpit, etc.? I have never been in or heard of a weekly Bible study where a pulpit was required.

 

Show me links to this information.


Thanks.