Slavery, The Bible, and Infidelism

So let me get this straight - just so I don't misunderstand.

Equality between whites and blacks is a bad thing, and we should not pursue it.

Setting the slaves free is a bad thing, and we were wrong to pursue it.

Giving women the right to vote is a bad thing, and Christians were wrong to pursue it.

Are these accurate statements?

 

No, they aren't. It would be nice to see you stay on topic though.

 

I am interesting in seeing Dr. Bob's response to these questions also.

 

The problem with slavery as it was carried out in the pre civil war era, and for that matter our current era when women are sold as sex slaves, is that is was so very inhumane.

I read several of the testimonies from the freed slaves - they were whipped, raped, used as breeding stock, and families separated. These were not "perceived ills", these were facts, the treatment was inhumane.

I still submit that the abolitionists had the hand of God on them, and that God blessed the Union in its victory over the south - despite the south having the better soldiers and officers.

I do not believe that God would have seen them escaping such opression as sin.

So you boys pontificate on, but I believe that our country has suffered, and still suffers from the sin of slavery that we foisted upon a race of people solely because of the color of their skin.

If you take your positions into the pulpit, I also submit that you will never have people of other races in your fellowship, and that is perhaps fine with you.

Our chruch is blessed to have many races in our congregation, including our deacon body.

 

1) I don't buy that argument for an instance. The North had about 4 times more men to use as soldiers, a much larger navy, and a much larger industrial base. Personally, I think if the South had had a larger population, the good guys would have won. Remember might does not make right. Just because the Yankees won doesn't mean they were in the right(I believe they were in the wrong).

2) I don't buy that argument, either. We have had the largest economy in the world for decades, even before World War I. And we have the greatest military force the world has ever known since World War II. Besides, the slaves were freed about 140 years ago. Now it is true that racism was a problem in the South and particularly in the North, for about 100 years after that, but that is still not slavery, and all people groups must deal with prejudice in their hearts.

 

In war, there are no good guys. I doubt it very much that the slaves would have referred to the South as the "good" guys.

 

You don't think the Allies were the good guys in World War II?

Actually, there were blacks who fought - willingly - for the Confederacy. It was their homeland that was invaded by the North as well. And, as research will show you, attitudes towards blacks in the the North were certainly no better, and maybe worse, than they were in the South.

 

Typical tactic when you have nothing to say. Just keep repeating rhetoric and hope others don't discern it.

The "north" didn't invade anything. The Federal government ultimately has the authority over every inch of land, Ken. It was necessary to remove the semi-organized mafia types from office.

"General" Lee should have been hung as a war criminal. He is responsible for the death of thousands of americans. He was the Osama bin Laden of the those days.

 

1)They don't own my property. Do they own yours, Gunther?

2)That is one of the stupidest, most evil things I have ever read that a person has
written.

Robert E. Lee was asked to command the Union army. Has Osama bin Laden ever been offered the chairmanship of the USA Joint Chiefs of Staff?

I see, Gunther, that you would have been one of the Radical Republicans back in the 1860's who brought so much misery to this country. I bet you would have supported the impeachment of President Johnson back then.

I guess if you and I had been living in the 1860's we would have been shooting at each other. Instead I am simply reading your imbecilic comments.

Oh, by the way, you still have never explained why you think the Revolutionary War was okay, but the War for Southern Independence was not okay. Just admit you are biased, that that is the only reason you would support the former but not the latter.

God save the South!



[ August 29, 2003, 10:31 PM: Message edited by: KenH ]

 

1. Try not paying property taxes and we will see how long it is before they take it back.

2. Lee led a group of rebels (without legal or biblical cause) to fight against the US government. Osama did the same thing. Osama used americans against americans. Lee used... You get the point.

3. I am getting to it. I am just demonstrating that the South time and again only stood on their own misguided prejudice.

 

I totally disagree. You should be ashamed to make such comments about Robert E. Lee. I could make similar disparaging comments about your heros, U.S. Grant and W.T.Sherman, but I refuse to crawl with you into the slimy gutter you are in.

 

Hey, Gunther, I have never paid one cent of property tax to the federal government on my home. If you have, I think you need a new tax accountant.

 

Hey, Gunther, I have never paid one cent of property tax to the federal government on my home. If you have, I think you need a new tax accountant. </font>[/QUOTE]Ken, work with me here. People pay property tax to the local government. However, at any time, if the US Government needed to, they could remove you from your own land (with compensation) and assume it for their own purposes.

So you don't pay property taxes to the feds, but your land is still ultimately subject to them.

Keep tossin' those softballs.

 

Mark, I apologize for this. With all the threads on the triumph over the south, that I began mixing them together. I will not post anymore in this thread unless it is part of what you intended.

 

Gunther, you just hate it when I keep proving you wrong, don't you?