So what's the difference between Beth Moore and Joyce Meyer?

see now I dont agree with you yes I have read the articles then if thats the case my moms pastor in the United Methodist Church in her town is a false teacher also. So probably is 90% of the pastors preaching today. My pastor on Sunday did a message on Fasting that really spoke to me was it false I dont think so because his lesson came straight from the word. If we sit there judging everyone trying to teach us we are never going to get to grow in Him. Did you ever think that preachers were put on the Earth to show us the way, help us along the way? I get alot out of her teaching because scripture backs up what she is saying plus I get a whole lot out of her testimony since I was a wife who wasnt treated nicely and so was she and the way she overcame it, I am hoping for the same outcome meaning overcoming this awful thing in my life and moving onto something sunnier. I dont judge a preacher when I listen I take notes, jot down the scripture they use and then study it more later. Thats how I have grown closer to the Lord over the last 18 months than I have ever in my life. Even though I am going through all I am going through I am closer to God in the word and in prayer now more than I have ever been. So instead of judging we need to let them be guides to us on our walk, we need to back up what they say with the scriptures and we need to allow ourselves to grow in Him.

 

Both are women preachers. Since Beth is Baptist we don't admit that.

Joyce Meyer is "word of faith" theology. That is a whole scary, false systematic theology basically of magic. Don't go there!!!!

Both seem to focus too much on the life of the believer rather than soul winning for my personal taste, but that IS JUST a matter of taste.

I don't care for either. BTDT with Beth Moore studies and do NOT care for them. She lost me during one tape when she was talking about people suffering, and named several things one could be in pain from but kept telling the audience to TRUST HER she had suffered more. My response was "how in the world can she make that claim. She is not omnipotent."

After that I kept noticing how often she wants us to put our trust in her. Nah, better put it in JESUS.

Now all that said, for some women, her courses are their first experience doing deep digging study. If she can get people doing that, I DO support her ministry.

 

False teacher always use the bible to back up what they say. Look at satan in scripture when Jesus was tempted in the wilderness.
But when they teach something not biblcal, taking scripture out of context, or just palin twisting scripture, teach things that can not possibly be scriptural, then they are false teachers. Some beleive a false teacher only teach falshoods, not so, thay have to add enough truth in order for people to listen to them, then they throw in the false teachings, cleverly disguised so that people who either approve of them , or are not well studied in biblical doctrines can not spot them as false.
Joyce Meyer teaches you are a little god, and you can create same as God did in Genesis 1, just by speaking. She says God created by faith, faith in what, there is nothing higher then Him to have faith in. She teaches Jesus paid for your sin not on the cross as the bible says, but He went to hell and paid for your sin there. These are false teachings. And according to scripture we are to stay away from false teachers.
What makes you think 90% of preachers are false teachers?

 

Beth is not a preacher. She is not ordained, she leads a women's ministry. Joyce is an ordained preacher. Big difference between being ordained a preacher and teaching and writting women's bible studies.
There are more then aspect of being a christian, witnessing is only one of them, living as a christian should is another, and this is what Beth tries to teach.
Beth does not teach nor claim to be omnipotent, nor that we are to put faith in her not God.
You'd have to know whats gone on in her life to understand some of what she says.

 

LE what about direct quotes from her of her false teachings. Do you think your a god? Joyce says you are. Do you think Jesus paid for your sin on the corss, or in hell? Joyce says in hell, not the cross.

 

What information do you need that Beth supports contemplative prayer or it origins? I will be glad to get you both if you like.

 

Because they use the scriptures to make their point. And according to you if they use scriptures they are "false teachers" And if you would look at the dates from your "articles" its back in 1990. I was in 7th grade in 1990 she has matured alot more since then. People change. God matures people. Did you ever think God has worked on her just like He works on us? I know when someone opens my eyes to something I am going to listen. Right now with all the crud going on in my life yeah I am listening to Beth and Joyce and Paula and several others only because right now I am seeking....my life is so horrible I am seeking to keep me going, keep me afloat

 

Whatever you have. Is it an article? Bible Study? I'm just curious where it came from.

 

this is not true, this is not what I said, please do not twist my words into what you want them to be.
She still teaches these things.

 

I've heard her say that. Although I disagree that the Bible says so. That was something added in a creed.....added with no biblical warrant.

 

http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac17.htm

 

I posted links with direct quotes in them.

 

I was talking about Beth Moore...not Joyce Meyer

 

That link wasnt for you. Actually I was waiting for clarification form you.

 

I have never heard that we are not all called to discipleship. I supposed we are all called to take up our cross. Is this not true? And you are right, I left off Christ's resurrection. I also left off his intercessory work. Praise God!

I guess I don't see in scripture where we are promised prosperity in this life, or happiness in this life. I think that we American Christians focus on prosperity and blessings because we truly have everything we need. Therefore, we want God to give us what we don't need. If we were Christians in Mauretania, we would be praying for our next meal. That would be true prosperity.

I don't know anything about either. I just have a hard time believing the gospel is about the American ideal of prosperity.

 

Oh....okay.

I'm wondering what info. you have that shows Beth Moore supports contemplative prayer (which is something debatable and defined differently among different people anyways). Was it in an article? One of her books/studies? Something else?

 

http://www.afcministry.com/Joyce_Meyers.htm
Joyce Meyers teaches you can't be saved unless you beleive what she teaches that Jesus wenty to hell for you to pay for your sins.

http://testallthings.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/joyce-meyer/

Quotes from her are all oveer tthe internet, repeated over and over, directly from her books, and sermons.
I don't think the date matters, she had never changed her statement and said it was wrong and that now she beleives something else.