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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Dale-c, Aug 26, 2009.

  1. Johnv

    Johnv New Member

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    I'm an espouser of Reformed Theology, and lean towards Calvin, but I'm not Calvinist.
     
  2. webdog

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    I stand by that
    I did that already on page 1.
    I agree on some aspects and disagree on others. What is so hard to understand about that? What is the percentage needed to be classified as such, and where is it found in Scripture? Are we told to align ourselves with one particular historical group over another in the Bible? I recall Paul stating just the opposite!
     
  3. webdog

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    Isn't a personal confession of faith more important than a local churches?
     
  4. Dale-c

    Dale-c Active Member

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    It is not hard to understand at all.
    You simply do not have any system of theology that you can agree with substantially. You have a hybrid system of 2 or more systems.

    That does not make you wrong in and of itself. However, if we can't point to anyone in history who has believed what we think the Bible says, we may need to reconsider.

    Of course we are mostly talking about soteriology in this thread. Not about baptism etc.
     
  5. Dale-c

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    Why do they need to be different?
    I hold to the same confession as my church.

    Or are you asking if a person's own profession of Faith in Christ is more important that what a church collectively holds to?

    Well certainly a person does not go to heaven based on the belief of his church. A personal conversion is certainly needed.
     
  6. webdog

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    Since the church is composed of individuals, you will not find them matching in every instance. Example: my church holds to augustinian original sin...I do not. I'm held accountable for my beliefs, not that of my elders.
     
  7. webdog

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    Wrong. I highly doubt I'm in the minority, in fact, I believe those who don't align to any one view are in the majority. You have to remember, it is the workings of the "system", not salvation that is not agreed on. We all agree we are saved by grace through faith (well, maybe not the Pel's and Semi-pel's).
    I don't think that's a good baseline at all. I think Scripture (in context) is better. Many historical groups held to things that were not true. We are to be Christ-like, not Church-like.
     
  8. swaimj

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    I've been on the board since 2000. On multiple occasions, thread have been started asking individuals to explain their position. I have done this many times, so I think I have articulated my position. Sorry if you missed it. It is a pearl of great price that you would do well to go to the archives and search for. (Tongue firmly in cheek!)
     
  9. Lux et veritas

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    Actually .... no it isn't. It isn't a case of "either or" but agreement on what the Bible teaches that makes a church. A local church ought not to be a hodge-podge of differing views until we come down to the lowest common denominator in order to all go to one place to sing and worship and hear the Word once or twice a week.

    The church is a body. Every member works in concert with each other ALL THE TIME. This includes our service for God during the week, our family, how we raise the children, how we work at our job, and what we confess we believe.

    And the more things we can agree on the stronger we are in our service for the Lord.

    I left presbyterianism because, while I agreed on the soteriology of it, I did not agree with:
    1. Their view of the covenants. Was this important? Absolutely, because one's view of the covenants affects your views on two other major issues:
    a) baptism
    b) church government

    So it is important for churches to have a confession of faith. The fuller the better. And it is important for us in our generation to very, very seriously study what our forefathers believed and why, without giving them a position equal to or greater than the Word of God.
     
  10. Johnv

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    There are essentials and there are nonessentials. We don't require our church members to adhere to the same non-essenails.
     
  11. Dale-c

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    Johnv, nor does ours, however the Gospel is very essential.
    BUt even in that, our church does not require members to have a complete understanding of our confession but they must be willing to be taught from it.

    Basically someone who denies our confession would be a problem but a new Christian who does not fully understand it would not be.
     
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    Whatever is not done from faith is sin. I'm going to stand before God one day accountable for what I believe, not whether I adhered to my local churches confession of faith. Many churches (including mine) word those so they can have more than one meaning also.
     
  13. kyredneck

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    Dale, of those listed I have much more in common with Calvin and Augustine.

    In my library I have books written by men from several denominations that I use for reference, some I agree with more than others, but they all contain some really good articulations of truth that hit home with me. I believe that truth is truth, that a fact is a fact, no matter where it comes from. The scriptures just happen to be pure truth.
     
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    I don't always agree with my own theology, but I am forced into accepting it because it agrees with my understanding of scripture. How is that, mate?

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    My friends and I have various different views and methods. For the most part we all attend Baptist churches. My friend said to me, "I don't hold to anyone's theology and don't like to take sides other than the Bible."

    I told him that I agree and that our theology/ belief system should not be built on anything u but the Word of God and that in each of us should be our foundation.

    but :)...

    Then I told him to tell me what he believes and Ill tell him who's view he holds to.

    Unfortunately, no matter what we believe it is usually close to something that someone in the past believed. It is true that there are essentials and non-essentials, but how important were our non-essentials to our Lord and what do they reflect on the essentials?

    many ????'s
     
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  16. FlyForFun

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    Some prefer we never argue, but always be united in one mind. This is certainly an admirable Scriptural goal, which is why it is so critical we form our minds and opinions and views around Scripture – not isolated proof texts, but the whole counsel of God as revealed in His Word. But the assumption that “no disagreements” equals “unity” is flawed.

    Controversy brings clarity – we learn by submitting ourselves to rigorous scrutiny why we think and believe what we do, or why we should change.

    There are clear examples of this in Scripture: Paul confronts Peter over his inconsistency about Jewish Law, Jesus confronted the Bible scholars of His day, and Paul, James, and Peter wrote epistles to confront various teaching “not in line with the Gospel.”

    It’s disingenuous to cry “unity!” when you don’t submit yourself and your assumptions to scrutiny. “I want everyone to be united in thinking exactly as I do...” is not unity – it’s control.
     
  17. kyredneck

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    Excellent articulation of truth. Thanks.

    Larry.
     
  18. gb93433

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    There are things that sometimes today I agree with myself and tomorrow I might but a few years from now who knows if I will.
     
  19. EdSutton

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    I kinda' like "Christian" for my label, personally. (Ac. 11:26; 26:28; I Pet. 4:12)

    Ed
     
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  20. pinoybaptist

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    Hi, web.
    Can you quote a scripture for your conviction ?
    thanks.

    ps...excluding the first sentence, that is.
     
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