Soldier doubts eligibility, defies president's orders

Problem is that this is not based on an immoral order - it is based on this individual's (if he can refuse to acknowledge the president I can refuse to acknowledge him as a soldier) interpretation of the law. The entire system that the constitution established recognises Mr Obama as president. Congress has acknowledged the Electoral College vote, the Supreme Court refused to hear this lawsuit, who is this guy t think he can override the president, Congress, and the Supreme Court? What makes him the arbiter of the Constitution?

If I get stopped by a policemen who I know is an alcoholic do I have the right to refuse to acknowledge him as an officer of the law because I don't think he is qualified?

 

No spin, you tried to spin. No you didn't, yes you did. Didn't. Did. Puleeese.

Why have me on record? I never knew you were such a secret admirer! Thanks! :laugh:


The idiots in Washington will not pursue Bush and if they do, it matters not to me. I haven't been a Bush bot since 2001 for reasons I won't go into here.

Meeting the qualifications for POTUS should matter to everyone here if they care about their country instead of their party. No wonder the US is doomed.

 

Your subtle implications on this subject are more than old. You imply that anyone who is not obsessed with this dead horse does not care about the country/constitution. Every one cares, its just that his spurious charge holds no water. Pres Obama is the president, declared so constitutionally by Congress and backed by the Supreme Court who refused to spend time on this issue.

Accepting the constitutional process for electing the POTUS should matter to everyone here if they care about their country. No wonder the US is doomed.

 

The soldier needs to be article 15ed.

There is nothing else to say. Brig time, and a Bad Conduct Discharge.

 

I agree. I don't understand how any one can support this soldier and his blatant insubordination. He is not refusing to obey what he perceives as an unjust or immoral order. He is choosing to override the authority of his commander-in-chief, the Congress who certified the election of his commander-in-chief, the the Supreme Court of the land whose job it is to interpret that laws of the land.

The issue here is not even the birth cert question. Even IF that is an issue, it is not up to this man to decide for himself if Mr Obama is president or not.

Mr Obama IS the president. IF this thing ever came to fruition and he was forced to resign that would change and THEN his orders would be invalid from that point on.

 

As Chief Justice John Marshall put it: "We (The Supreme Court of the United States) are not final because we are infallible; We are infallible because we are final."

Absent some law passed by The U.S. Congress (and signed into law by The President) to remove this process and subject from the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court (which Congress and the President can Constitutionally do, BTW), this issue is moot. The Supreme Court, by even refusing to consider the lawsuits over President Barack Obama, shows that at least 6 of the 9 Court members did not consider it even worth the "granting cert" to hear (after examining preliminary evidence), hence in effect, ruling on it, by not even hearing the case.

FTR, while I am not, by any stretch, any fan of the policies of President Barack Obama, and while I would even argue that the State of Hawaii's person in charge of these records is "grandstanding" for their own reasons, there has been enough information released, including the two newspaper accounts by photostat copies of birth notice printed of that time, to effectively overrule any real question, in my own mind. The anecdotal 'evidence' from one family member, that she was 'somewhere' when some child was born (according to her best, now failing memory), is simply not a good enough reason for any real doubt, considering what has already been released.

One could have made the same sort of unfounded allegations about any candidate for President, for that matter, brought a lawsuit, and 'demanded' some Court to hear their grandstanding - 'er I mean arguments.

Likewise, the argument that Sen. John McCain was also not qualified for the office, because he was born in the former U.S. Panama Canal Zone, is also bogus, for basically, the same reasons. The then allowed candidacies of former Gov. George Romney and Sen. Barry Goldwater, effectively settled that argument, more than 40 years ago, as they both apparently met the requirements, as defined by Congress, over the issue.





These continuing "treatments by veterinarian" including one or more Moderators on the Baptist Board, is simply not worth the effort, and IMO, shows a decided lack or respect for the office of The President of the United States, and the entire Constitution of the United States by the Baptist Board members, who are citizens of the United States, and who are engaging in such. (The opinions of any non-citizens who are BB members, are irrelevant to this question.)

The implication (and direct statements) that President Barack Obama is both "an impostor" and therefore hence definitely 'has something to hide' is particularly "beyond the pale!"

I effectively generally agree with C4K here, FTR.

IMO, it is long past time to bury this, once and for all, and allow it to

Ed

 

I'm not surprised that a soldier could be convinced to join this type of ignorant lawsuit. He will be welcomed in right-wing churches around the country and treated like the hero is isn't.

What really surprises me is the number of people here who support him. I guess the disgust and hatred for President Obama knows no bounds with some.

BTW, did you catch the President's speech? I heard parts on Air America since I was at work, but now plan to listen to all of it. From what I heard it was a great speech, and exactly what America needs at this time. I know it felt good to hear a president who could finally put two words together without mispronouncing one of them. :laugh:

 

If EVERY soldier did this, they could probably get Obama to resign. However, that will never happen.

I will agree that one is to follow orders as long as they are not illegal, unethical, or immoral. I do wish him the best of luck though.

 

President Obama's speech gave me a slight warm fuzzy feeling in the pit of my stomach, but it was Governor Bobby Jindal's (of Louisiana) speech that stole the show. I almost wish he was governor of Alabama.

 

Exactly. If the foundation is cracked, so is the rest of the building.

 

As you stated, it is your opinion. My opinion is respect for the office, not for the man. Many on here stated they felt the same way about our former president and showed him or the office absolutely NO RESPECT whatsoever. Just do a word search on Bush and you will see much Bush-bashing, even video links likening him to Hitler. So please don't condescend.

Like you said, it is your opinion. I have mine. I believe he is an imposter. Until he proves otherwise, I will believe that.

And if any opinions on here are reflective of all BB members, then the BB needs to shut down, because there are some really scary non-biblical world views on this board about things other than politics. March to the lemming song if you want to. Not me.

 

Best of luck trying to ignore the duly elected, certified, and sworn in President of the United States.

This reminds me of the lot who said they were not going to accept Pres Bush because the Supreme Court stopped the recounts in Florida.

Ignoring the fact that he is President doesn't make him any less so.

Only the follows of a deluded, Hillary obsessed, Democrat lawyer from Ohio think otherwise.

I wonder who the lemmings really are?

But, alas, we wander from the OP. Does anyone really think it wise that individuals, especially those who claim to be soldiers, can pick and choose who they think are qualified to lead?

 

I truly fear for our troops with this kind of stuff going on, Once the enemy senses a mutiny they will exploit it and the death toll will rise. A war zone is not the place to carry on a political agenda.

Fight this battle in the courts back home if you must, but encouraging troops to disobey their commander-in-chief is more than dangerous. If he is forced our of office he will no longer have that authority, but he has it now.

 

You all don't think the FBI knows if Obama is a citizen?

Personally, I don't care.