Some questions for anti-calvinists #5

If man can lose faith in any object of faith, there is the possibility that man can lose faith in God.

In one of the letters to the 7 churches of Revelation, there is an indication that names can be blotted from the book of life. Revelation 20:14,15 tells us that those whose names are not found in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire. If names can be blotted FROM, then they are not found IN.

So Yes, I believe that some number of people whose names get written in the book of life, may get their name blotted from the book of life and therefore lose their salvation!

 

The book of life and lambs book of life are two different books. This may help your flawed understanding of eternal security.

 

well wes had answers. but only the first two are anything I would call 'worth posting.'

 

I agree here but what irks me is the calvnist would label me an arminian even though J. Arminian did not believe in eternal security. I consider this a dishonest statement by many calvinist. If you don't fit the label they try to make you so they can resort to arguement 23 (or whatever) that refutes arminians.

 

Lets see Scripture. The Lord Himself says:

"He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels" (Rev.3:5)

This says to me that if you "overcome", then your name will remain in the Book of Life. The very statement tells me that there are those who will not "overcome", otherwise why make such a statement.

We have the account in the Old Testament, when Israel made the golden calf, and how Moses pleaded with God: "Yet now, if You will forgive their sin—but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written."(Exodus 32:32), and God replies: "And the LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book"(v.33) What do you think God meant here?

For my own personal position. I have been a Christian since Feb. 1982, and for about 18 years of that time I have believed in the position that it is possible to loose your salvation. However, I am now in the position where I am leaning more towards the "Eternal Security" camp, as there are a number of Scriptures that have opened my eyes. Like, for example, when Jesus says in John 10:28, "and I give to them eternal life, and they shall never perish...". The Greek text is different here. It says: "kai ou_me apolontia eis ton aiona". Firstly, the use of the double negative in the Greek "ou_me" (either, "in no wise"; or "no, not at all"), and then the phrase, "eis ton aiona", that is, "for ever" (the same language is used in chapter 11:26, "shall never die, for ever"). The use of such strong language, and that by Christ Himself with regards "Eternal Life", has made me rethink my position on this whole issue. I would appear at this time that I was wrong for some 18 years or more!

 

The word 'arminian' doesn't appear in this thread until you mentioned it.

 

Again- the book of life is different than the lambs book of life. I just want you to understand that. I see that you are leaning towards the eternal security camp- and I'm happy for you. I just want you to understand that the book of life is the book containing the names of those alive, and the lambs book of life is the book with those who are born again. Having your name blotted from the book of life means you will die. There is no mention of anyone being blotted from the lambs book of life in Revelation.

 

There is no act or circumstance that can make me NOT my father's son. I can lose fellowship and blessings but I will always be his son. His blood runs through my veins. His essence is within me.

There is no act or circumstance that can make me NOT my Father's son. I can lose fellowship and blessings but I will always be His son. His blood has covered me. His Spirit is within me.

 

Hi Mike;
You need to study the jewish law a bit more I'd say. You can be disowned just as some Jews were. What makes you think you're so special...
May Christ Shine His Light On Us all;
Mike

 

Hi Tcassidy
Perseverance isn't perseverance if God allows you to fall in to sin. So are you claiming that God lets you sin after He forced you to become a Christian?. Couldn't he force you to obey him in that perseverance?
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

Human laws (including Jewish laws) don't override God's laws. Yes, I can be disowned but I would still physically be my father's son. I cannot be un-born from my family.

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Scriptures show that salvation is more than just the single element of faith. Salvation requires the following (and probably some I've forgotten):
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Our faith is just a small part of the requirements. Our faith doesn't save us or keep us saved. But we must have faith to be saved.

 

Only in your imagination!