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Discussion in '2006 Archive' started by Magnetic Poles, Oct 27, 2006.

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  1. DeeJay

    DeeJay New Member

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    I personaly think Bush made a mistake by not listing and re-listing all the reasons for being in Iraq. He should have made each individual reason crystal clear. Public speach is one of his weak points. The fact that Iraq continued to shoot at our plains in the no fly zone should have been mentioned as one of the reasons. Remember that we did not go to war with Iraq in 2002 we pulled a cease fire and have been at war since what 92.

    Liberation
    Contiuned hostility by Iraq
    WMDs
    Funding Terrorists

    All should have been mentioned but Bush was confident we would find WMDs and only used that as justification. That was a mistake.
     
  2. Terry_Herrington

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    Bush was unable to do this because he and his administration were making up the reasons as we went along. The whole linking of Iraq to the "War on Terror" is nothing but a sham.
     
  3. DeeJay

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    Was SH paying familys of suicide bombers?
     
  4. Daisy

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    No, MP is a fellow poster here at this message board. If Rush were to register and post here, he would no longer be fair game.
     
  5. DeeJay

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    MPs argument for being allowed to call Rush names was that he is a public figure. What makes Rush a public figure is that he puts his ideas on a public media. By that rule MP is putting ideas on a public media and is a public figure by his own rules.
     
  6. DeeJay

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    SO what you are saying is I can call peoples mom names if their moms are not regitered here.
     
  7. Magnetic Poles

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    Public Figures have a much harder burden of proof for libel...that is "intent to harm". Remember the case where Larry Flint made disparaging remarks in his porn magazine about Jerry Falwell and his mother in an outhouse? Flint won, as Falwell is considered a public figure.

    (Dang, it's tough always being right!)

    Since DeeJay apparently is incapable or unwilling to do his own research, a quick Google search yields this:

    Public Official vs Public Figure

    The same liberal rule applies to both categories: To prevail in a libel case against you, in addition to showing that your statement is untrue and caused significant harm, a public official or a public figure must also prove "malice" -- that you acted in reckless disregard to the facts known to you and with intent to harm.
    Obviously, because of this stipulation, you enjoy considerable protection when it comes to public personages, since proving malice (intent to harm) places a heavy burden on the prosecution.
    Who are these public people? The status of "public official" is relatively easy to determine from public records. The trick comes in determining who falls into the category of "public figure."
    The courts have determined that there are two types of public figures:
    • A "general purpose public figure" is someone who enjoys social prominence. Entertainers are in this category.
    • A "limited purpose public figure" -- someone who has intentionally placed themselves into prominence, such as a vocal activist on a given issue.
    The reasoning is that the press has a First Amendment duty to report on such newsworthy people, and therefore published statements warrant such protection.
    Who is a private person? None of the above. Now you see why lawyers get the big bucks.
     
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    How many suicide bombers have we experienced in the U.S.?
     
  9. DeeJay

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    None of the names that have been called have risen to the level of libel. We are talking about simple name calling.
     
  10. DeeJay

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    Why does it matter where they blow people up. Is it not terrorisem if it is Jewish people?

    Is it only terrorism if Americans are blown up? I guess that is where our difference of opinion is.
     
  11. Magnetic Poles

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    No, but you asked about what constituted a "Public Figure". There's your answer. It isn't someone posting their opinion on a chat board.
     
  12. Daisy

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    Why would you want to do that?

    If the mom is a public figure and if you are insulting the public figure and not the son or daughter, I guess you could.

    All in all, I don't like name-calling as it does not contribute to a civil discussion.
     
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    I'm sure that Saddam (and our "allies" the Saudis) were wrong to reward the families of suicide bombers. I do not think it was appropriate to kill thousands of American troops in an effort to punish one of these people.

    But that is what Bush did.

    Excessive pride often has consequences. Only in Bush's case, thousands of American families are bearing the consequences of arrogance. He will retire, with nothing more than the disdain of the American people to pay for it.

    And he's already said he doesn't care what we think.
     
  14. Magnetic Poles

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    Very good points, Galatian. Every week on This Week with George Stephanopoulis, they list the names and home towns of soldiers killed during the week. The list of communities touched are all over America, big cities and small towns. All linked by the deaths of their sons and daughters for this unjust war.
     
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    I never said this, and you know it; quit telling lies!

    It is not America's responsibility to police every country concerning terrorism. Israel is capable of taking care of their own problems.
     
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    How'd I get in this discussion?:confused:

    Carryovers?;)
     
  17. DeeJay

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    We are posting on a public forum making our opinions public. Making us public figures, in a limited way but still public.
     
  18. DeeJay

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    Where do you get the rule that we can call public figures names?
     
  19. DeeJay

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    I told no lies. I asked a question based on this responce posted by you.

    As to being the police of countrys. I disagree, I think we have a responsability to try to make this world a better place. If you seen your neighbor being beaten up you would help. You can not stop every bully but when you can help you should.
     
  20. El_Guero

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    Why wouldn't Pinochet and his evil sound familiar - unless you have been hiding your head in the sand about the evil dictators in this world. In which case, you have probably forgotten about not only "los desaparecidos", but also the hundreds of thousands that Saddam had killed . . .

    Hmmm....

     
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