Sound Words

The original autographs were written in language that was easily understood by readers. God did not intend His message to be obscured by words with unclear meanings. Therefore, as language changes it is our job as Christians to keep God's message to mankind as fresh and as meaningful as possible. If we don't do this we become a hindrance to God because His message becomes clouded by the changing language. If we never updated as language changes and as the message is spread from one language to another we would all have to learn the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. Simply, yes, the words of the Bible do need to change when the meanings of those words change or else confusion is created. God is not the author of confusion.

 

OF COURSE we should have God's word in OUR language. In English, that's the way it's been since God first caused His word to appear in it. Here's John 3;16 from Tyndale's Bible: "For God so loveth the worlde, that he hath geven his only sonne, that none that beleve in him, shuld perisshe: but shuld have everlastinge lyfe."

Modernize the spelling, skip the face that 'begotten' isn't there,and we still have a lotta differences in the words between Tyndale and the AV. However, Tyndale's version reflected the English in use in his day.

What if God hadn't kept His word in the current tongue throughout the centuries? Here's what we woulda had for John 3:16 as it first appeared in written English C. 1000AD: “God lufode middan-eard swa, dat he seade his an-cennedan sunu, dat nan ne forweorde de on hine gely ac habbe dat ece lif."

Contrary to the belief of some, God didn't retire in 1611; He goes right on bringing us His word in OUR language, the language HE has chosen for us.

 

and just think of the people in other countries who are not able to read the Olde English...
If only they knew English, or old english rather...then they could receive the "true" gospel...

please.

 

Rufus_1611:

This used to be done in the KJVs:

1 Timothy 2:9 (KJV1611 Edition)

In like maner also, that women adorne
themselues in modest apparell,
with shamefastnesse and sobrietie,
not with broided haire, or gold,
or pearles, or costly aray,

1 Timothy 2:9 (The King James Version
[Authorized, KJV1769 Edition] )

In like manner also, that women adorn
themselves in modest apparel,
with shamefacedness and sobriety;
not with braided hair, or gold,
or pearls, or costly array;


Entry from Webster's 1828 dictionary at:

http://65.66.134.201/cgi-bin/webster/webster.exe?search_for_texts_web1828=shamefacedness

SHA'MEFACEDNESS, n. Bashfulness; excess of modesty.

(no entry for 'shamefastnesse')

 

It means:
Timothy, follow my words, my teaching, the teaching you have heard from me.
In faith and Love which is Christ Jesus.

I'm not sure how it can be explained any other way.

 

My whole problem with this approach is this. Why apply this only to 1611? Why not go back further in English and maintain those "sound words"? Why are the 1611 "sound words" the only ones that are "sound"?

The verse means just what one poster above said - T"Timothy, take heed to what i am saying>"

 

how does any of this apply to 2 Tim 1:13?
i don't see the connection

 

If that is the case, Rufus, then we all need to go back to school and learn to read and write in Anglo-Saxon or an even earlier language. Otherwise we are not following your belief.

 

'Sound words' means 'words that are true in doctrine'.

Sound words are sound words whether they be in KJV1611, 1863, NKJV, NIV, ESV, Spanish, German, Scottish or Swahili.

You are building mountains out of molehills and doctrine on one solitary verse which is not wise.

 

2 Timothy 1:13 (Geneva Bible 1587 Edition):
Keepe the true paterne of the wholesome wordes,
which thou hast heard of me
in faith and loue which is in Christ Iesus.

2 Timothy 1:13 (KJV1611 Edition):
Holde fast the fourme of sound words,
which thou hast heard of mee,
in faith and loue, which is in Christ Iesus.

2 Timothy 1:13 (HCSB = Christian Standard Bible /Holman, 2003/ )
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Hold on to the pattern of sound teaching
that you have heard from me,
in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.

The physical words are baskets that carry
the virtual and spiritual teachine, doctrine, and meaning in them.
The words are not inerrant, God's Truth is inerrant.
The words are not sacred & holy,
God's Truth is sacred & holy.

Don't make me describe how 'physical word' worship
is Pagan and illogical astrological divination

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well....when your OP is about changing words and you have 1611 in your username...

 

Really poetic Ed!
Quite inspiring.
Is it original?

Rob