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South Just Can’t Wait for President Condi

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Oct 23, 2005.

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    #1 KenH, Oct 23, 2005
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    Besides her strong advocacy for democracy and the president's foreign policy to spread it around the world, what else do you like about Condi that makes you want her to run for president?

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #2 Joseph_Botwinick, Oct 23, 2005
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    I think she needs a little more experience. She should do a term in the vice presidents office before tackling the Oval office. I think you have a crush on her Ken ;)
     
    #3 Bunyon, Oct 23, 2005
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    What you listed would be sufficient, Joseph.

    Her candidacy would also provide an opportunity to break the gender/color barrier for the presidency with a moderate conservative.

    Actually, I don't think she will run in 2008 for president but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the GOP presidential nominee choose her to be his running mate.
     
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    I think she should run for governor, of say, Texas, Alabama, or California, and then run for president.

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    I am not sure that would be a sufficient reason to vote for her in 08 since I suspect (don't know for sure) that the major part of the war will be over by then, and we will be dealing with other major, more domestic issues then. If she were to run today, I would probably vote for her. But, without knowing her views on social domestic issues in 08, I am not sure she would be the right person for the job. BTW, what is a "moderate" conservative? Is that someone along the lines of Gulliani, Morris, and Schwartzenegger who are fiscal conservatives and hawks on foreign policy, but are liberal on social issues such as abortion and gay rights?

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    #6 Joseph_Botwinick, Oct 23, 2005
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    I consider a moderate conservative to be someone who believes, in general, that the federal government should stay out of the social issues and allow the States to handle those, believes that the federal government should be fiscally responsible, and believes that our foreign policy should be pro-active in advancing our interests worldwide.
     
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    Are you telling me that moderate conservatives don't worry about civil rights issues? I wonder where they would have stood in the time of Orval Faubus and Jim Crow? Where do moderate conservatives stand on abortion? Do they think we should simply allow the states to decide if they are going to allow murder or not? And how do they differ from right wing conservatives on this issue?

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    I don't consider civil rights to be a social issue but rather a constitutional issue. No one's constitutional rights should be violated.

    Yes, I believe States should handle issues such as abortion and marriage. What I would consider extreme conservatives would want the federal government to ban abortion outright and usurp the States' historic jurisdiction over marriage.
     
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    It is impossible for the federal gov to keep its hand out of the social issues of the states. No person could achieve that. It is just the way the mechanism works now. For better or worse, worse in my opinion.
     
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    Ken,

    I wonder if moderate conservatives would have agreed with you back in the days of Jim Crow about allowing the states to decide. I think that when the states violate the civil rights of other human beings, that they no longer have the right to decide that for themselves, and yes that includes cases such as abortions. The federal government, therefore, should intervene.

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    That is what I said, Joseph.

    Abortion is not a civil rights issue. There is nothing in the federal constitution yea or nay about abortion. Therefore, it is rightfully a State or individual issue.
     
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    So the Constitution is not concerned with murder as a civil rights issue? If not, then I would find the Constitution to once again to be deficient and should either be ammended or circumvented.

    It is, however, one of those inalienable rights that our founders discussed in one of the founding documents of our nation. It is called the Declaration of Independence

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    Laws on murder and other common crimes are pretty much State issues.
     
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    I did a little digging and look what I found in the Constitution. Apparently, the Constitution agrees with the Declaration of Independence and with me that murder is not to be permitted by any state, and therefore, the federal government has every right, to step in and intervene when the states violate the civil rights of others, including the unborn:

    the fourteenth ammendment of the Constitution of the United States
     
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    If the states, however, violate the civil rights of others by allowing and even endorsing murder and other common crimes, they are in violation of the Constitution and the federal government has every right to intervene.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    I have already stated that I agree with that.
     
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    If she wants to be governor of Texas, she'll have to do it without my vote.

    Ditto for President.

    Neither is likely, imo.
     
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    Abortion has never been considered murder under the federal constitution. I don't know if any State has ever declared it to be murder, but some States did ban the procedure prior to Roe v. Wade.
     
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    By the way, can we have a political discussion in the forum without abortion coming up? There are lots and lots of political issues that are totally unrelated to the issue of abortion.
     
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