Spin off/abortion and voting

Since Roe -vs- Wade there have been over 49 million abortions in the US. I don't think the number of women (who were breaking the law at the time, btw) would even come close to that.

 

Wait...we've just found another inconsistency in your beliefs! Why would you stop her? You already told us that you wouldn't stop someone from having an abortion. What difference does the method make to you?

 

Exactly, Steven. In the last 10-15 years that I've been involved with the abortion topic, I haven't seen a good set of statistics yet that supports the "back-alley" justification.

Jim - what about the young women today that are suffering harm during the act of an abortion?

 

I want to use the force of law to stop all abortion except to save the life of the mother.

 

That was my point. I would be curious, and I bet it would be eye opening to see the actual number. Were there even a thousand, hundreds, even one hundred confirmed deaths from illegal abortions?

 

Here's the problem with your analogy: Did you vote for people who supported and furthered the concealed carry laws because you *knew* someone/anyone was going to use that legal right in order to draw his or her weapon any time they felt like it, and use that weapon against others? Or did you vote for it because there was a constraint/restraint involved? (i.e., only in self-defense or defense of others)

Would you have voted for the person who made concealed carry a legal right if that person advocated being able to pull your weapon anywhere, any time, for any reason?

If I vote for a person, knowing full well that he's going to continue, and possibly even encourage and expand, the killing of unborn children -- then what's my level of responsibility, since I had full knowledge of the act to be committed?

In legal terms, isn't it considered "aiding and abetting?" Or "conspiracy"? Or "complicity"?

 

Then what are you doing to change those laws? Are you voting for anti-abortion candidates who would further the changing of existing laws to reflect your statement? Or are you still voting for pro-abortion candidates who advocate the laws as they currently exist, or even relaxing them further?

 

I would advise all to consider their terms carefully.

"Pro-life" and "pro-choice" are the accepted terms for the two sides in this debate.

I humbly submit that both are wrong.

Pro-choice people are not "anti-life" (the opposite of pro-life); and pro-life people are not "anti-choice."

I realize that the terms are pretty much set in concrete in our vernacular of the day, but I sure wish we could get the terms more correct.

In my personal be-it-ever-so-humble tongue3 opinion, the correct terms are "anti-abortion" and "pro-abortion."

That's my personal public announcement. My apologies for interrupting your regularly scheduled debate.

 

What should a voter do if all of the candidates for a particular office are pro-choice?

 

There is nothing wrong from abstaining, if nobody deserves your vote.

 

1. I'm a supporter of Democrats for Life, a group which advocates for a pro-life plank in the Democratic platform.

2. I vote for pro-life candidates in the Democratic primary elections when they are on the ballot.

3. I try to recruit pro-life people into the Democratic Party in order to change the party's positions while supporting basic liberal values.

4. I give money to my church and my church gives money to pro-life crisis pregnancy centers.

5. I vote for ballot initiatives to restrict abortion whenever they are presented on the Florida ballot.

 

I'm opposed to voting machines. Voting should only be done on paper.

 

That is lousy, if it were me in that case I wouldn't vote at all.

 

How does being opposed to voting machines answer the question I posed?

To me, not voting at all is NOT a solution!

By not voting at all for any office or question that may be on the ballot you are by default voting for those whom you oppose (or are opposed the policies that you support)!

 

Yes, I do believe God will hold us accountable if we approve of someone else's sin. And that is what a vote is.. it is approving a person's positions.. If someone approves of funding for a county road, and we vote knowing that person's position, we are voting to approve the funding also. That is why parties have platforms.. so people can know what they are approving when they vote.

You asked for scriptural proof.. .Look at Romans 1.
Especially verse 32.. (I bolded the part that applies)
Romans 1:18-32
(18) The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
(19) since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
(20) For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
(21) For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
(22) Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
(23) and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
(24) Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
(25) They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
(26) Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
(27) In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
(28) Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
(29) They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
(30) slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
(31) they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
(32) Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.


A person that knowingly votes for a person or party that says they will keep the holocaust of babies legal in America... they are approving of those who practice this evil.. and according to Romans 1, they will bring on the wrath of God.

A vote for a pro-choice candidate is a vote to kill a innocent baby.
A vote for a person that would approve rape would be a vote for rapists...

A vote for a pro-choice candidate is sin.

 

I thought those verses in Romans were talking about unbelief and denying the Gospel. Maybe I am missing it, but I don't understand where those verses are proof of people being held accountable for another's sin.

 

No Jim that is incorrect. You are believing false data as well as a false reason for legal abortions.
about 39 women died from illegal abortions in 1972, the year before abortion was legalized. Read further:

http://www.chastity.com/chastity-qa/birth-control/abortion/before-abortion-was-legal

and here also:
http://www.tennesseerighttolife.org/human_life_issues/human_life_issues_abortion_lies_and_myths.htm