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Stand Up for Your Faith Against Islam

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Jan 15, 2007.

  1. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member

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    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200701/CUL20070115a.html

    Stand Up for Your Faith, Convert From Islam Urges Christians

    Kevin Mooney
    CNSNews.com Staff Writer
    January 15, 2007

    EXCERPT

    (CNSNews.com) - Muslims respect certitude and disdain weakness in exchanges with Christians and are more responsive to principled individuals who are unapologetic in defending their world view, according to a Catholic convert from Islam.
     
  2. El_Guero

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    I would ask all Christians to stand firm with God and His Word against satan and all of his demonic religions . . . And islam is one of satan's religions.
     
  3. DQuixote

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    A section of a Gingrich Speech in New Hampshire.

    NEWT GINGRICH: .The third thing I want to talk about very briefly is the
    genuine danger of terrorism, in particular terrorists using weapons of
    mass destruction and weapons of mass murder, nuclear and biological
    weapons. And I want to suggest to you that right now we should be
    impaneling people to look seriously at a level of supervision that we
    would never dream of if it weren't for the scale of threat.

    Let me give you two examples. When the British this summer arrested
    people who were planning to blow up ten airliners in one day, they
    arrested a couple who were going to use their six month old baby in order
    to hide the bomb as baby milk.

    Now, if I come to you tonight and say that there are people on the planet
    who hate you, and they are 15-25 year old males who are willing to die as
    long as they get to kill you, I've simply described the warrior culture
    which has been true historically for 6 or 7 thousand years.
    But, if I come to you and say that there is a couple that hates you so
    much that they will kill their six month old baby in order to kill you, I
    am describing a level of ferocity, and a level of savagery beyond
    anything we have tried to deal with.

    And, what is truly frightening about the British experience is they are
    arresting British citizens, born in Britain , speaking English, who went
    to British schools, live in British housing, and have good jobs.
    This is a serious long term war, and it will inevitably lead us to want
    to know what is said in every suspect place in the country, that will
    lead us to learn how to close down every website that is dangerous, and
    it will lead us to a very severe approach to people who advocate the
    killing of Americans and advocate the use of nuclear or biological
    weapons.

    And, my prediction to you is that either before we lose a city, or if we
    are truly stupid, after we lose a city, we will adopt rules of engagement
    that use every technology we can find to break up their capacity to use
    the internet, to break up their capacity to use free speech, and to go
    after people who want to kill us to stop them from recruiting people
    before they get to reach out and convince young people to destroy their
    lives while destroying us.

    This is a serious problem that will lead to a serious debate about the
    first amendment, but I think that the national security threat of losing
    an American city to a nuclear weapon, or losing several million Americans
    to a biological attack is so real that we need to proactively, now,
    develop the appropriate rules of engagement.

    And, I further think that we should propose a Geneva convention for
    fighting terrorism which makes very clear that those who would fight
    outside the rules of law, those who would use weapons of mass
    destruction, and those who would target civilians are in fact subject to
    a totally different set of rules that allow us to protect civilization by
    defeating barbarism before it gains so much strength that it is truly
    horrendous.

    This is a sober topic, but I think it is a topic we need a national
    dialogue about, and we need to get ahead of the curve rather than wait
    until actually we literary lose a city which could literally happen
    within the next decade if we are unfortunate. So.
    (APPLAUSE)
    This is a very sober description of the Islamic terrorist threat we are
    faced with. We are NOW at war with a culture that wants, not to take over
    our land, but to KILL us.
     
  4. LadyEagle

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    He's absolutely correct, but if he were posting on the BB, he'd be called a bigot by some, unfortunately.
     
  5. Citizen

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    I'm not sure how we're suppose to be converting Muslims if we're dropping bombs on them or labeling them all as "terrorists."


    Note: LadyEagle, I'm not sure why you edited my post and inserted your own commentary, but I edited it back to reflect my words.
     
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    We are to "stand up" for Jesus Christ since we are His Body-and in standing we are to be serving, loving our neighbors as ourselves. And muslims are our neighbors.

    But we have nothing to fear from Islam; fear is from Satan. Do not panic, do not be afraid, for then demons laugh since it is then that we are not trusting that God has things in control.

    Rom12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
     
  7. LadyEagle

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    I apologize, Citizen, it was a slip of the button, because I can either hit "quote" or "edit" - and it was by accident, truly.

    So now, I will post my reply to your post:

    It is amazing that the Holy Spirit is available and willing to muslims who actually seek the truth. He does not need our help.
     
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    :thumbs:

    :saint:

     
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    I fail to see how this post applies to this topic.
     
  10. Citizen

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    No problem, I figured as much. :flower:

    Jesus gave us a Commission. Go ye therefore. He wouldn't have charged us with that responsibility if he didn't expect us to take it seriously.

    I don't believe in "bombing them and let the Holy Spirit sort em out," as you seem to imply. I hope I took your response wrong.
     
  11. ABCJim

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    Newt's words convey fear...
     
  12. LadyEagle

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    Thanks.

    You did. That's a military motto - bomb 'em & let God sort 'em out.

    I do understand about the Great Commission. I know people whose lives are in great danger because they are in muslim countries where Christianity is a death penalty and they went as tourists, etc., to spread the Gospel.

    SAT7-TV is spreading the Gospel via satellite TV to muslim countries. The Jesus Film Project is reaching muslims in those countries. Some are being reached through supernatural means, as well. Like I said, those muslims who are seeking the truth, God is revealing Himself to them. But the majority of muslims are NOT seeking the truth and are intent on taking over every nation of earth and killing every non-muslim so they can rule.

    Of course, those of us who have read the back of the Book, know Who wins.

    My prayers go out to all of those ex-muslims in muslim countries who have found Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and all of our Christian brothers & sisters who are being persecuted, imprisoned, tortured, murdered, having their husbands and wives and children butchered, or lit on fire in front of their eyes for not renouncing Jesus Christ - and there are millions of them who are suffering this very minute, suffering in muslim countries, as Christians have always suffered and died under the sword of islam.

    http://www.persecution.org/suffering/country_info.php?PHPSESSID=638bd39c4d69aa55375c4b246942f80c

    There are multiple reasons why we must take a stand against islam. The persecution and murders and human rights abuses is just one issue. Those of us who are free to speak and stand up against the evil in the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth are their voices until our voices are silenced as well.
     
  13. LadyEagle

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    Okay, I'm sorry you got afraid from Newt's words.

    I wonder why it is when someone has the courage to speak the truth, they are called islamaphobes and fear mongers. :laugh:
     
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    Because those that fear death do not want hear the angel of death breathing down their knecks?

    :tonofbricks:

     
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    Neither will we convert them by being politically correct and appealing to their sense of fairness.

    Be strong in your faith is the message of the OP. Make it clear to muslims that there is no way to heaven other than Jesus Christ. Holding their hand and telling them how nice, but mistaken, Muhammed was won't cut it. :jesus:
     
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    This thought process reminds me of a Christian man that told me he would have turned Corrie Ten Boom over if the Nazi's had asked him if he knew her whereabouts, because to lie was worse. From that moment on, he's not been allowed in on my families plan B.
     
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    I sure hope so.
     
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    DQuixote's post of Newts speach:
    What a great post. I will fully support Newt if he decides to run, as this issue overrules his sexual morality issues, to me. Not a single politician has the willingness to say these things.
     
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    LadyEagle, I have to ask. Where in the Bible does it indicate that Christians will be anything BUT persecuted? Where does Jesus instruct us to "fight back" or "stand up" for ourselves instead of evangelizing?

    Don't you see how hypocritical we look when we talk about the love of Jesus while advocating the destruction of a people? Jesus didn't promise us easy times. He promised us persecution and encouraged us to endure until the end.

    Each time we bomb a lost soul that has likely never heard to Gospel of Christ, we'll stand accountable for that. Jesus didn't Commission us to kill, He Commissioned us to reach out to the lost.
     
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    No one is talking about cowering away from the Faith. I'm talking about the hypocrisy of preaching the love of Christ while we celebrate war.
     
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