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Standards of Dress

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by pjlpel, Oct 11, 2004.

  1. Joshua Rhodes

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    No, by my statement, I'm saying we should "major on the majors." We should not judge a person by how they dress, whether Christian or non-Christian. God is more concerned with the condition of the heart, as we should be also.

    No, what we're talking about is the "Standards" that exist in an imperfect society, at least that's what I see that we're talking about. I'll tell you what some lost people that I've spoken to recently see: When they look at the church, they see a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites that are more concerned with the color of the carpet, the thickness of the toilet paper, or what "standard-bracket" their clothes fall into. I am not trying to be argumentative here, but I just don't agree with your standard.

    So now I'm apostate? I hardly think so by stating a preference.

    He does, and thank you for the jab at my willingness and ability to let Him do so. [​IMG]

    And neither is your attempt at making yourself look, act, and feel better by putting down your brothers and sisters in Christ, or the lost that attend our churches simply by the way they dress. I'll tell you what is a laughing matter... oh wait... never mind. [​IMG]
     
  2. Joshua Rhodes

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    Oh Gib... one look at me, and you'd know I could never pass for one of those guys... maybe a Chris Farley version!!! [​IMG]

    When I wear a vest, I wear a long sleeved shirt with a collar and a tie, as well as slacks or suit pants. I almost always wear my "black shinies" with this outfit... [​IMG]
     
  3. TC

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    Actually, by wearing a suit and tie every sunday you are associated with the world just as much as (if not more than) someone else. The suit developed (and became a popular way) to suggest high-status and power in business, government, and military affairs.

    It is truly amazing that this dead horse gets revived and beat to death again every few weeks. There are so much more important things to do (like spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ) other than worrying about how others are dressed.
     
  4. HankD

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    Well, one could ask that same question concerning the '0's when Christ and the apostles/disciples walked the earth in the flesh and were in the presence of God come in the flesh all the time.

    Walking, fishing, swimming, sweating, dusty and smelling bad with Him.

    Didn't Jesus criticize the "whited sepulchres"?

    Matthew 23
    27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
    28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.


    Isaiah 61:10
    10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness...

    HankD
     
  5. MTA

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    I was raised during a time when wearing your Sunday best was the accepted norm. Men commonly wore suits or slacks with a shirt and tie, and the women wore skirts and blouses or dresses. My mother taught us that it wasn't what we wore that was important, only that we wore our finest to the house of God, to show our respect. We weren't wealthy, or even middle-class, but our clothes were clean and pressed, and our shoes were always shined.

    Many of those traditions we followed in my youth have gone by the wayside. I've always realized that God looks upon our hearts and that he is concerned that we worship Him in spirit and in truth, but I still believe there is value in those life lessons of long ago. Sometimes the attitude of the service is mirrored in the way people dress for it and I fear that we too often forget that service and worship is intentional, not casual.
     
  6. HankD

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    James 2
    1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
    2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
    3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
    4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
     
  7. TC

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    Actually, we are to worship God in spirit and in truth everyday - not just on Sunday. So, following that logic, you should wear your Sunday best everyday. Also missing is the fact that the people are the church and not the physical building. Know ye not that you are the temple of the Holy Ghost?
     
  8. av1611jim

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    Jason said,"...church here in town. That church has now dwindled in size to only around 250 per Sunday (from 1000+) and only a few public professions per year."

    I submit sir that this had less to do with standards of dress than it did, perhaps, more serious problems.

    I would also submit that your anecdotal evidence means nothing considering;
    My home church is IFB and KJV. It has grown the opposite direction as the church you mentioned. From less than 250 to well over 1500. And it did it while maintaining the so-call "pharasaical" standards which you seem to abhore.

    Nice try. :D
    No apple for you. [​IMG]
    In His service;
    Jim
     
  9. HankD

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    So what does everyone think?

    Will Jesus return clean shaven, with close cropped hair, in a business suit, white shirt and tie, wearing black wingtips, etc...?

    HankD
     
  10. MTA

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    I agree that we should maintain private, daily devotions. However, I do not believe that is in the context of this post. Private devotions are not public worship services.

    Forgive me TC, I believed the context of the discussion concerned the type of dress for the regular worship services and particularly the services where the church assembles. My experience is that the place where the church meets is in a building that is commonly dedicated for that purpose. Sometimes this dedicated building is referred to as "the house of God." I apologize if my reference was confusing, but I made no reference that the church was the building.

    A single believer is not a church, but you are right, their body is a temple of the Lord.

    I merely shared a few thoughts, that's all. Actually, I have seen people that obviously only dress to be seen at each end of the dress code spectrum, those who dress like the scribes and Pharisees, with attitudes to match, and those that dress like the beggars by choice, not necessity. One is really no more hypocritical than the other, right?
     
  11. Joshua Rhodes

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    That's true, MTA. Dressing to be noticed is a problem with both sides of the spectrum. I hadn't thought of it that way. Thanks for shedding some light on that! [​IMG]
     
  12. HankD

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    Right, we are sinners no matter what we wear.

    HankD
     
  13. Joshua Rhodes

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    "Sinners saved by grace are we,
    At home, in church, or by the sea..."
     
  14. Plain ol' Ralph

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    Actually, we are to worship God in spirit and in truth everyday - not just on Sunday. So, following that logic, you should wear your Sunday best everyday. Also missing is the fact that the people are the church and not the physical building. Know ye not that you are the temple of the Holy Ghost? </font>[/QUOTE]Yep, and you should join me for a day at work in my plumbing business in YOUR Sunday best, if you really do think you, yourself should follow your "ILL"-logic :rolleyes:

    A suit and tie for crawling under a house to fix a leak? [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    I have more respect for God than that!
     
  15. Plain ol' Ralph

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    So, Hank? Who is it you're forming the Word of God into a weapon against? Your Brother in Christ?

    We're talking about honouring God with our apparel, you're taking the democratic approach and turning scriputre against that honouring of the LORD; it's called EVIL SURMISING, or did you know that? You do NOW!!

    No one here has expressed any "preferring" one above the other, except that which is to HONOUR the LORD ONLY!!!

    You've taken the passage out of context and used it to attack your brethren, no doubt! :( :rolleyes: :mad:
     
  16. Plain ol' Ralph

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    Uh, NO!!! Something MUCH more GLORIOUS than that!! [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  17. Plain ol' Ralph

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    edited for personal attacks.
    Please stick to the topic of the thread (dress standards), without attacking other posters.

    [ October 29, 2004, 06:45 PM: Message edited by: DHK ]
     
  18. Joshua Rhodes

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    Sorry, Ralph... old picture.

    I wear a full beard now. ;)
     
  19. HankD

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    That ploy doesn't work with me Ralph.

    HankD
     
  20. Jason Garrett

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    Postem by jim: "My home church is IFB and KJV. It has grown the opposite direction as the church you mentioned. From less than 250 to well over 1500. And it did it while maintaining the so-call "pharasaical" standards which you seem to abhore."

    I would submit (without knowing you of course) that this is indicative of your local culture. Your IFB church (and I can say this without hesitation) would have a VERY difficult time in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

    And no, your dressing up isn't Pharasaical, the attitude behind it is. You said something to the effect of honoring God with what we wear, and I would submit God is not honored by anything we do. That's why the Word saying our righteousness is like filthy rags to Him.

    Your turn...
     
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