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Study: Bushies Lied 935 Times to Sell Iraq Invasion

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by poncho, Jan 26, 2008.

  1. moscott

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    Sure. Your first clue should have been on the Center for Public Integrity website that the link took you to. On there is an ad for a t-shirt that shows Bush and Cheney behind bars that says "jail to the chief".
    As for the support of my statement---there are way too many sites to list but if you Google "Center for Public Integrity is a Liberal George Soros" and you will find numerous results.
     
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  3. poncho

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    Oh my goodness! You really mean...?

    Get outta here the Bushes and Clintons are like family. Barbara Bush adopted Bill Clinton quite awhile back in public. Wa? You didin't know that? G Bush Sr wanted a new world order (spoke very fondly of it with a gleam in his eye) and brothers Bill and George have been delivering it to him. Now they're about to pass the baton to sister Hillary to finish the job.

    Wake up man. These people got you snowed but good. These politicians that are against the undeclared unconstitutional "wars" now are just what you called them POLITICIANS. Crooks and liars for short okay. When's the last time you heard one of the Clintons (or any democrat for that matter) question G Bush jr about the SPP Nafta super highway or the North American Union?

    The asnwer is NEVER! Because they're all in on it one way or another. They got you so convinced there is two sides "R's vs D's" that you won't even let yourself consider the obvious. They're in it together. Hello??? They're globalists!

    Maybe it would be better if you spent more time reading the globalists documents and policy papers themselves. Apparently five seconds worth of mindless left vs right minutia isn't paying off for you in the information war.

    Oh and I never really paid much attention to your past posts. Sorry. ;)
     
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  4. Baptist in Richmond

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    This is old news. We all know these statements. Besides, the proof lies in the fact that they found absolutely nothing in Iraq.

    This is no different than the Heritage Foundation, AEI, etc. Or is it only biased when it's left leaning? If you can demonstrate where anything is untrue on the site, then by all means show us.

    Additionally, the Drudge Report would fail your t-shirt test, as there is quite often a GOP t-shirt for sale (with a blonde model wearing it) somewhere on the page.

    As of the time of this post, most of the "results" for your Google search were right-wing bloggers. Michelle Malkin (pause...... :laugh:) was in the top five.


    Regards,
    BiR
     
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    I suppose you don't know that Soros also funded one of Bush's oil businesses, Harken Oil, do you?

    http://www.publicintegrity.org/report.aspx?aid=196#
     
  6. Baptist in Richmond

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    One thing is for sure: if anyone on this board were a corporate insider and sold their stock ahead of bad news, they would be in serious trouble......
     
  7. carpro

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    http://www.publicintegrity.org/about/about.aspx?act=funders
    Foundation Support

    Annenberg Foundation
    Around Foundation
    Attias Family Foundation
    The Brodie Price Fund of the Jewish Community Foundation
    Morton K. and Jane Blaustein Foundation
    Keith Campbell Foundation for the Environment
    Carnegie Corporation of New York
    Compton Foundation, Inc.
    Deer Creek Foundation
    Domitila Barrios de Chungara Fund at Peninsula Community Foundation
    Dudley Foundation
    Educational Foundation of America
    Everett Philanthropic Fund at the New York Community Trust
    Ford Foundation
    David B. Gold Foundation
    Daniel J. Goldman Foundation
    Gunzenhauser-Chapin Fund
    Haas Charitable Trusts
    Hafif Family Foundation
    The Heinz Endowments
    Honeybee Foundation
    The Inge Foundation
    JEHT Foundation
    The Lawrence Foundation
    Liberty Hill Foundation
    John D. & Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation
    Maloney Family Fund
    The Robert & Bethany Millard Charitable Foundation
    Stewart R. Mott Charitable Trust
    Nell Williams Family Foundation
    New York Community Trust
    John & Florence Newman Foundation
    Park Foundation, Inc.
    Karen & Christopher Payne Foundation
    Popplestone Foundation
    Lynn R. & Karl E. Prickett Fund
    Princeton University Class of 1969
    Rockefeller Brothers Fund
    The Shelley and Donald Rubin Foundation
    Scherman Foundation, Inc.
    The Joan Shorenstein Center
    Streisand Foundation
    John & Donna Sussman Foundation
    The Fund for Independence in Journalism Mainly funded by Soros
    Town Creek Foundation, Inc.
    Vanguard Charitable Endowment Program
    The Elmaleh Fund at the New York Community Trust
    Wallace Global Fund


    A veritable who's who list of bush hating leberals.

    The Center for Public Integrity and the Fund for Independence in Journalism are the handtools of liberals.

    They have no integrity and there is nothing independent about them.


    But marketing the "jail to the Chief" tee shirts really says it all.
     
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  8. Baptist in Richmond

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    Okay, so it's only bias when it's a site with left-wing support. Hmm....

    Perhaps you could show us something that proves that the quotes listed on the site are wrong, citing proof which is conclusive to that point.

    So we now have a t-shirt test for websites? Interesting. I would be more interested in any proof that indicates that the report is wrong.
     
  9. Magnetic Poles

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    The administration was hell bent on invasion of Iraq.

    CLICK HERE
     
  10. carpro

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    I would be interested in any proof that it is right.
     
  11. Baptist in Richmond

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    The ball is in your court, carpro.
    If you are claiming that there is anything in the report that is false, then by all means show us the errors/fallacies. From what I have seen, they have done a considerable amount of research. I would be curious to see what you offer to refute their claims, other than simply attacking the messenger as you have done thus far.
     
  12. carpro

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    No problem.

    The report is a complete fallacy. Just read it and you have your proof.

    Now, before you ask some stupid question and start chasing me for an answer, would you like to take a stab at proving any of the 900 odd alledged lies were, in fact , lies?

    It should be simple. All you really have to prove is that believing and repeating faulty intelligence is a deliberate lie.

    That is , after all, the only criteria for a lie in this so called report.
     
  13. Baptist in Richmond

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    Ah, how convenient for you that you can simply accuse and offer absolutely nothing as proof.

    One big glaring detail is that we have found nothing in Iraq. But as usual, you won't allow yourself to get bogged down with the facts.

    Thanks for clearing that up though.
     
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    http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/Default.aspx?src=project_home&context=methodology&id=953


    "False Statements" — Definitions

    In press briefings, interviews, and other question-and-answer venues, each answer was categorized for purposes of this study as a distinct statement. In speeches or briefings, only when one statement clearly ends was the next statement considered, and then only if a "buffer" of at least 50 words separated the statements.

    Direct false statements.

    False statements by the eight Bush administration officials were counted as "direct"—and included in the total count of false statements—when they specifically linked Iraq to Al Qaeda or referenced Iraq's contemporaneous possession, possible possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction (chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons). In addition, any use of the verb "disarm" was categorized as a direct statement because of the literal meaning of the word. (Example: "Saddam Hussein has got a choice, and that is, he can disarm.") These false statements can be found within the passages that are highlighted in yellow in the project database.


    Indirect false statements.

    Statements were classified as "indirect" if they did not specifically link Iraq to Al Qaeda but alleged, for example, that Iraq supported or sponsored terrorism or terrorist organizations, or if they referred to Iraq's former possession of weapons of mass destruction or used such general phrases, for example, as "dangerous weapons." These indirect false statements are not included in the total count of 935.

    :laugh:
    What a joke!!!
     
  15. Baptist in Richmond

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    I already read this.
    Where is the proof for your claim, carpro?
     
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    The chase has begun. :laugh:
     
  17. Revmitchell

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    A lack of WMD's only proves the intelligence was incorrect. To go beyond that without any other evidence and use it to prove someone lied is obviously in error.

    Those who made the allegations that a lie was told bears the responsibility of providing proof. And that has not been done.
     
  18. Baptist in Richmond

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    Isn't it amazing, carpro? You seemingly feel as if you can simply make statements with absolutely no proof to support your contention, and not be called on it. Once again, I really am embarrassed for you. Most people would not be so brazen in their foolishness......

    So, since you offer nothing in the way of proof (other than providing us with verbiage we have already read from the website - which proves nothing), your claim is once again wholly and completely without merit.
    :tonofbricks:
     
  19. NiteShift

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    Considering that Soros spent $27 million trying to defeat President Bush through various 527 groups, and since Soros bankrolled this study, it can hardly be considered unbiased.

    Well, to quote your earlier comment concerning Democrat's WMD statements, "This is old news. We all know these statements."

    That should be good enough huh?


    And here's one more -

    "This is your last chance. Disarm or be disarmed." - Hillary Clinton
     
  20. poncho

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    You don't read too many books and documents do you? You sound like one of them folks that are highly educated in the corporate government version of history. But haven't got a clue as to how things really work.

    Fact is you've seen a mountain of evidence already if ever you read any of my past posts on the subject. You can say there is no evidence but that doesn't make it so.

    And Carpro good work buddy. You do "our side" a great service acting that way keep it up. :laugh:

    And NiteShift...facts can come from any direction. The fact that someone who opposes Bush says something doesn't make everything he says false.:rolleyes:
     
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