Successful black people and how they got that way

You remember the period rolemodels suddenly became important for young black men?
well on this side of the pond everything American will eventually show up in one form or another.
My church went through a brief period when most members of our youthgroup lived under the delusion that they needed a male black rolemodel.
Most of those kids were white by the way....

When they asked me who my black rolemodel was, I told them it was Jesse Owens.

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BLACKBIRD
Equating apartheid with affirmative action, like it is some sort of advantage?
Equating Nelson mandela with jesse jackson?
The next time there is a Baptistboard life action reunion, I'll be the person critiquing your techniques as a preacher by firing fruit at you with a slingshot.

 

Mioque--your statement of critqueing my preaching techniques---what is that suppose to imply??

Compareing Luter to Jesse and to Nelson--would be like comparing a sand based "HourGlass" time piece to telling precise time with atomic time pieces! Theologically, they are that far behind the times that Luter lives in!

Blackbird

 

"Mioque--your statement of critqueing my preaching techniques---what is that suppose to imply??"
That I vehemently disagree with your implied assesment of the apartheid system!
That I bitterly disagree with you putting Jackson and Mandela in the same category!
And that I am the product of a culture where your remarks are very close to what are considered 'fighting words'!


"Theologically, they are that far behind the times that Luter lives in!"
I don't know Luter, I thought Jesse was in a sense one of us. He is a baptist preacher right? Just not a very sound one .
Nelson Mandela is just not a religious professional and you dragging him into this comparison is to put it mildly, inappropriate.

I hope this makes sense.

 

Mioque--the line is long in which you stand but if you must stand in it, go ahead!

I am just attempting to show which black person would be considered my heros--of which Jackson and Mandella does not make the list! It isn't worth fighting over, believe me! You not liking me nor my views--is not worth a fight!

Blackbird

 

"the line is long in which you stand but if you must stand in it, go ahead!"
Well at least I have 16 million of my fellow countrymen to keep me company.

"I am just attempting to show which black person would be considered my heros--of which Jackson and Mandella does not make the list!"
Trust me that's not at issue here.

 

Many people will be successful regardless of their colour; they just need the incentive. Sometimes a few need a doorman to open that door for the incentive to enter.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Mioque--if that isn't the issue, what is?? What is the issue of this subject?? Affirmative action--of which I am not grouped?? Apartheid?? Of which I am not grouped?? Just what is the issue??

Blackbird

 

Athletes have always be given special treatment, nothing to do with color, just the ability to playball better then everyone else.

Success comes to those who are willing to pay the price, all agreed on that?

Affirmative action is tool to ensure our continued diveristy, a strentgh of our country and equal opportunity for others without opportunity. It may not be the best tool so does anyone have an alternative to offer?

 

Athletes have always be given special treatment, nothing to do with color, just the ability to playball better then everyone else.

Success comes to those who are willing to pay the price, all agreed on that?

Affirmative action is tool to ensure our continued diveristy, a strentgh of our country and equal opportunity for others without opportunity. It may not be the best tool so does anyone have an alternative to offer?

 

Blackbird
First of all , have mercy on this poor foreigner. I don't know what the expression "Of which I am not grouped??" means.

"if that isn't the issue, what is??"
This one sentence is.
"I believe with all of my heart that he rose to leadership ability--not by some sort of affirmative action(as in Jesse Jackson) nor by apartheid(as in Nelson Mandella)--"

The way you line up affirmative action with apartheid, suggesting both give unfair advantages to negroes (I'm complaining about your view of apartheid here, not your view of affirmative action)

Nothing wrong with picking Fred (to the contrary seems like a fine choiche).
Nothing wrong with not having a picture of Jesse (or Nelson) hanging over your bed.

And the way you in a later post line up Fred (southern baptist preacher), Jesse (baptist preacher turned political activist) and Nelson (political activist) and dismiss the latter 2 by judging them all with the standard used for preachers is also questionable.

I have no opinion on Jackson (I simply know very little of the man), I know a little more about Mandela and he deserves a certain minimum amount of respect from Christian circles because of some of his actions despite his flaws.

 

J. C. Watts former Congressman from Oklahoma, who rose to the #4 position in the Republicam hierarchy in the U.S. House of Representatives. Could have gone further, but decided that he wanted more time with his family and church.

I have met him a few times, and he is a very personable man, very sincere in his beliefs.

And -- a Baptist too!!

 

Helen, I don't doubt that there might have been isolated instances of enslavement of Chinese, but you make it seem that it was the general thing. I have never heard anything along that line, and the fact that you live in an area where there was Chinese labor does not carry any weight with me. A few minutes of searching on the Internet gave this result, from 1867. The nature of the result suggests that these chinese were paid workers and not slaves.

1867 June 25, railroad strike: the Chinese laborers, without support of other workers, won concession over wages.