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Supreme Court Chick List

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Sep 25, 2005.

  1. fromtheright

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    I don't want a filibuster either but:

    (1) would the American public stand a filibuster of a Supreme Court nominee with the October term around the corner?

    (2) part of the problem is with pusillanimous Republicans who get weak-kneed at the threat of a filibuster. Democrats haven't actually filibustered anyone because Republicans roll over at the threat of one. Republicans must (a) put the Dems feet to a filibuster fire by calling their bluff and (b) act now to change the filibuster rules so that court, or at least Supreme Court nominees can't be filibustered.
     
  2. StefanM

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    (1) Yes, because at the moment O'Connor has agreed to stay on until her successor is confirmed. We'd still have a full court.

    (2) There are too many pro-choice Republicans to overcome a filibuster.


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    I think that the only hope for a pro-life justice is a stealth nominee. Yes, we risk a Souter, but that's the only way to get him/her confirmed.
     
  3. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Right on, FTR. There is no reason to allow the losers to control the agenda of the winners. Nuke 'em.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  4. StefanM

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    Do you honestly think senators like Arlen Specter are going to go nuclear over a pro-life nominee?
     
  5. Joseph_Botwinick

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    If Reagan were here, he would bypass the Congress and take his message straight to the American people who would then put political pressure on the Congress to stop their obstructionism. It is time for Bush to lead or get out of the way. This one issue is too important to play compromise politics with.

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    Do you honestly think senators like Arlen Specter are going to go nuclear over a pro-life nominee? </font>[/QUOTE]If Bush were to take his message and make his case directly to the American people and sick them on the liberals, if they wanted to keep their power, they would have to listen to the people. This is the good thing about Democracy.

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  7. StefanM

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    The problem is that the majority of the American people like Roe v. Wade as it stands.
     
  8. Joseph_Botwinick

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    And your evidence of this is? Look, if the majority of Americans are for abortion, then overturn ROE, and put it up for a State by State referendum. My prediction is that the blue states would keep and expand abortion and many of the red states would outlaw it.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  9. mcdirector

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    I think this is probably true. So very sad.
     
  10. Joseph_Botwinick

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    What is the evidence of this?

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  11. church mouse guy

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    On-top-of-all-issues, Bush said the other day that Roe versus Wade dealt with two different methods of crossing the Potomac River....

    Frist is the one with weak-knees. He is just so intellectual that he can't bring himself to pull the trigger. Let's dump him as front-runner before he gets the nomination in 2008.
     
  12. raunhawk

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    Joseph, good point on Reagan. I think Reagan would nominate someone like mcconnell or brown and then immediately turn to the American people and say that he picked the absolute best candidate. I know Bush likes to emphasize that he expects the senate to give an up or down vote, but I am afraid it takes more rhetoric than that.
     
  13. StefanM

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    Every poll I've heard in the recent past indicated that Americans at-large supported Roe.

    You're probably right about the state-by-state analysis, though.
     
  14. church mouse guy

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    It was Reagan who lost Bork so there is another beautiful theory mugged by a gang of brutal facts.
     
  15. StefanM

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    Overturning Roe won't solve the problem of abortion. What we need is a Supreme Court decision that abortion violates the constitutional rights of the unborn.

    If the only thing that happens is that Roe is overturned, people will just go to the states where they could get abortions.
     
  16. Joseph_Botwinick

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    If you were to dig deeper into the polling data, my suspicion is that you would find the majority of Americans support abortion in certain cases (life of the mother), but not abortion on demand. More than likely, they view Roe as the only way to represent their ideas because there is not, at this point, any alternative. Overturn Roe, and I think you will find a much different picture of what Americans as a whole truly support.

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  17. church mouse guy

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    Stefan, are you saying that Arkansas wants abortion? On the state level, local voters get to decide the issue. However, I agree that no unborn child should be subject to categorical permission to be aborted as it is denial of due process of individual rights.
     
  18. Joseph_Botwinick

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    This is true. But, we must take one step at a time.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  19. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I don't think that is what Stephan is saying at all. Arkansas, I suspect, would probably outlaw abortion with some possible exceptions.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  20. StefanM

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    I honestly don't know how Arkansas would vote.

    We do have two Democratic senators . . .
     
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